*Official* England in India 2023/24 #CryMoreTour

[Aidan11]

Well this sucks.

 

[Molehill]

Don't think that could've gone much better.

On the plus side, I don't have to bother with overnight score checks for about 8 months now.

 

[KungFu_Kallis]

Another day another reality check... but England's keeps bouncing

 

[mackembhoy]

Sending out Trescothick to do the interview

 

[Molehill]

Sending out Trescothick to do the interview

To be fair, he was listed as a sub fielder today along with Colly (only 13 players were fit).

 

[Son Of Coco]

Sending out Trescothick to do the interview

BazBawl.

 

[Son Of Coco]

I'm really looking forward to seeing Anderson take his 699th wicket during the next Ashes out here in Australia.

 

[mackembhoy]

Strange series this. For some reason it's felt better than the last one, but really it's been a drubbing.

We were in the game in all the tests we've lost.

But yeah the same result is going to be a real failing, especially after how much they moaned about the pitches last time.

Couldn't have asked for better pitches. The Joe Root of 2021 would have loved these pitches.

 

[Burgey]

We were in the game in all the tests we've lost.

But yeah the same result is going to be a real failing, especially after how much they moaned about the pitches last time.

Couldn't have asked for better pitches. The Joe Root of 2021 would have loved these pitches.

England is playing at their level. About 1.5 to two tiers below India and Australia. Average players having a slog are still average players.

 

[Nintendo]

Strange series this. For some reason it's felt better than the last one, but really it's been a drubbing.

Has it though? Fourth test really could have gone either way and second test wasn't an absolute smashing. I've heard people say the scorecards from last time don't reflect the fact that England where in favourable positions at various points in those losses, but England also had India 3 down for **** all batting first on a road without their hax axar-ashwin tail and could have had them 4 down early if root didn't drop a sitter off rohit.

India didn't have Pant this series and have missed other key players at various points, but in 2020 India didn't have jadeja who ide argue is a bigger miss, and didn't have axar in the first test. The 2023 batting lineup is also better in general. Indias #3-5 was non existent in that 2020 period and they didn't have jadeja, the lineup was basically the openers and pant+tail ender troll runs.

England have definitely been better than last time, but I don't think this means they've fantasticly or not missed key moments.

 

[Nintendo]

We were in the game in all the tests we've lost.

But yeah the same result is going to be a real failing, especially after how much they moaned about the pitches last time.

Couldn't have asked for better pitches. The Joe Root of 2021 would have loved these pitches.

I'm not sure about root honestly. His average on the sweep plummeted when the pitches got poor last series and have stayed that way this series to a point where in the past 3 innings he's put the shot away completely.

I don't know if 2021 root would have enjoyed facing bumrah early in this series anymore than now, and outside of the reverse scoop I don't know if he avoids any dismissals.

 

[Molehill]

England is playing at their level. About 1.5 to two tiers below India and Australia. Average players having a slog are still average players.

Does needing rain to save you in a series count as "1.5 to two tiers"?

I think any team playing in India is generally 2 tiers below the hosts. Take out your number one spinner and becomes an impossible job. The bowling has largely stood up well considering and has only been butchered a couple of times. The batting on the other hand has just not been good enough. As a decent player of spin, Brook has perhaps been a bigger miss than we first suspected.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Being competitive is staying withing touching distance of your opponents throughout the game which gives you the best chance of a decisive burst in the final stages. England instead have pulled into positions of relative ascendancy - relative being the key word here - in the first half only to capitulate entirely as the game's wore on, or even during the very same innings itself. That's not competitive enough for a Test IMO.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Does needing rain to save you in a series count as "1.5 to two tiers"?

Cherry picking the only variable that didn't go England's way during the series is being slightly disingenuous.

England were playing at home and still couldn't get the job done.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Cherry picking the only variable that didn't go England's way during the series is being slightly disingenuous.

England were playing at home and still couldn't get the job done.

Hey, we gave you a two Test Woakesless headstart and you couldn't capitalise.

 

[silentstriker]

Too many Indian debutants have the same facial hair. I also have this same exact facial hair. I missed the announcement and I thought patidar was playing. Also doesn't help that the name also looks similar.

 

[silentstriker]

Also what an enjoyable day (all night for me) to watch without the ****ing vuvuzelas.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Being competitive is staying withing touching distance of your opponents throughout the game which gives you the best chance of a decisive burst in the final stages. England instead have pulled into positions of relative ascendancy - relative being the key word here - in the first half only to capitulate entirely as the game's wore on, or even during the very same innings itself. That's not competitive enough for a Test IMO.

Yeah I don't think the second and third tests was particularly close at all. Fourth one absolutely was though and is the one where they were way ahead in the game and just let it slip.

 

[Socerer 01]

Has it though? Fourth test really could have gone either way and second test wasn't an absolute smashing. I've heard people say the scorecards from last time don't reflect the fact that England where in favourable positions at various points in those losses, but England also had India 3 down for **** all batting first on a road without their hax axar-ashwin tail and could have had them 4 down early if root didn't drop a sitter off rohit.

India didn't have Pant this series and have missed other key players at various points, but in 2020 India didn't have jadeja who ide argue is a bigger miss, and didn't have axar in the first test. The 2023 batting lineup is also better in general. Indias #3-5 was non existent in that 2020 period and they didn't have jadeja, the lineup was basically the openers and pant+tail ender troll runs.

England have definitely been better than last time, but I don't think this means they've fantasticly or not missed key moments.

the Indian batting was better in 2020 for sure, Rahane had just come off a good tour in Oz and Pujara was also equally vital then. Rohit then was better than now, Gill was coming off a good debut series and Kohli played two of his most chanceless knocks in Adelaide and Chennai. even ignoring all of that Pant alone makes that batting better lol. its only in hindsight with 2021-23 that makes the batting look **** now but back then it was still good

 

[silentstriker]

Also outfield looks pretty good now? Compared to WC?