DoG's Test Innings and Bowling Performances. Updates thread.

[_00_deathscar]

dont let subs hear you say that

Surely even subz wouldn’t argue that bowling lineup at home for its home conditions is one of the best ever assembled?

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Updated top 100 test innings:

1​	MDKJ Perera	153*	South Africa	23.11	778	Durban	2019	4	Won	1 wkt	21.09
2​	OJD Pope	196	India	23.01	781	Hyderabad	2024	3	Won	28 runs	20.47
3​	IT Botham	149*	Australia	26.13	683	Leeds	1981	3	Won	18 runs	20.14
4​	BC Lara	153*	Australia	23.57	763	Bridgetown	1999	4	Won	1 wkt	19.86
5​	VVS Laxman	281	Australia	28.32	615	Kolkata	2001	3	Won	171 runs	19.23
6​	GA Gooch	154*	West Indies	25.50	703	Leeds	1991	3	Won	115 runs	18.78
7​	KR Mayers	210*	Bangladesh	31.85	505	Chattogram	2021	4	Won	3 wkts	18.71
8​	V Sehwag	201*	Sri Lanka	29.78	569	Galle	2008	1	Won	170 runs	18.33
9​	DG Bradman	270	England	30.45	548	Melbourne	1937	3	Won	365 runs	18.23
10​	ST Jayasuriya	253	Pakistan	33.58	453	Faisalabad	2004	3	Won	201 runs	17.96
11​	BA Stokes	135*	Australia	27.56	639	Leeds	2019	4	Won	1 wkt	17.96
12​	C Bannerman	165*	England	19.72	514	Melbourne	1877	1	Won	45 runs	17.95
13​	Saeed Anwar	188*	India	31.87	504	Kolkata	1999	3	Won	46 runs	17.84
14​	Azhar Mahmood	132	South Africa	25.64	699	Durban	1998	1	Won	29 runs	17.83
15​	RN Harvey	167	England	24.00	750	Melbourne	1959	2	Won	8 wkts	17.72
16​	BKG Mendis	176	Australia	31.19	525	Pallekele	2016	3	Won	106 runs	17.63
17​	KJ Hughes	100*	West Indies	23.01	781	Melbourne	1981	1	Won	58 runs	17.30
18​	BC Lara	213	Australia	25.39	707	Kingston	1999	2	Won	10 wkts	17.18
19​	MA Butcher	173*	Australia	24.11	747	Leeds	2001	4	Won	6 wkts	17.14
20​	LD Chandimal	162*	India	34.33	432	Galle	2015	3	Won	63 runs	17.12
21​	DG Bradman	212	England	27.21	650	Adelaide	1937	3	Won	148 runs	17.06
22​	GL Jessop	104	Australia	24.70	550	TIe Oval	1902	4	Won	1 wkt	17.00
23​	AC Gilchrist	149*	Pakistan	31.37	520	Hobart	1999	4	Won	4 wkts	16.73
24​	C Hill	188	England	26.06	498	Melbourne	1898	1	Won	8 wkts	16.68
25​	CG Greenidge	214*	England	33.83	446	Lord's	1984	4	Won	9 wkts	16.65
26​	RT Simpson	156*	Australia	22.51	797	Melbourne	1951	2	Won	8 wkts	16.52
27​	Younis Khan	200*	Zimbabwe	33.02	469	Harare	2013	3	Won	221 runs	16.41
28​	DPMD Jayawardene	180	England	31.61	512	Galle	2012	1	Won	75 runs	16.32
29​	JE Root	115*	New Zealand	25.66	698	Lord's	2022	4	Won	5 wkts	16.30
30​	Mohammad Wasim	192	Zimbabwe	31.16	526	Harare	1998	2	Won	3 wkts	16.29
31​	DG Bradman	299*	South Africa	35.67	397	Adelaide	1932	2	Won	10 wkts	16.27
32​	FDM Karunaratne	158*	South Africa	31.28	522	Galle	2018	1	Won	278 runs	16.27
33​	VT Trumper	159	South Africa	25.13	533	Melbourne	1911	3	Won	89 runs	16.14
34​	JE Root	190	South Africa	27.26	648	Lord's	2017	1	Won	211 runs	16.09
35​	GA Headley	270*	England	30.27	554	Kingston	1935	1	Won	Inns & 161 runs	15.99
36​	ME Waugh	116	South Africa	29.83	568	Port Elizabeth	1997	4	Won	2 wkts	15.94
37​	DG Bradman	334	England	31.37	520	Leeds	1930	1	Draw		15.91
38​	KC Sangakkara	232	South Africa	28.73	602	Colombo (SSC)	2004	1	Won	313 runs	15.89
39​	L Klusener	118*	Sri Lanka	30.59	544	Kandy	2000	1	Won	7 runs	15.88
40​	WR Endean	162	Australia	25.25	711	Melbourne	1952	3	Won	82 runs	15.87
41​	BB McCullum	302	India	33.72	449	Wellington	2014	3	Draw		15.84
42​	WW Armstrong	159*	South Africa	28.82	402	Johannesburg	1902	3	Won	159 runs	15.80
43​	MC Cowdrey	102	Australia	25.33	708	Melbourne	1954	1	Won	128 runs	15.77
44​	CG Greenidge	213	New Zealand	28.82	599	Auckland	1987	1	Won	10 wkts	15.69
45​	KC Sangakkara	156*	New Zealand	30.76	539	Wellington	2006	1	Won	217 runs	15.69
46​	DW Randall	150	Australia	30.10	559	Sydney	1979	3	Won	93 runs	15.64
47​	R Dravid	233	Australia	29.93	565	Adelaide	2003	2	Won	4 wkts	15.61
48​	DM Jones	184*	England	30.24	555	Sydney	1987	1	Won	55 runs	15.60
49​	HW Taylor	176	England	29.66	573	Johannesburg	1922	3	Won	168 runs	15.57
50​	Hanif Mohammad	337	West Indies	36.79	370	Bridgetown	1958	3	Draw		15.56
51​	DL Amiss	262*	West Indies	33.48	456	Kingston	1974	3	Draw		15.51
52​	NC Johnson	107	Pakistan	26.63	668	Peshawar	1998	2	Won	7 wkts	15.46
53​	CL Walcott	220	England	33.49	456	Bridgetown	1954	1	Won	181 runs	15.43
54​	Younis Khan	267	India	31.36	520	Bengaluru	2005	1	Won	168 runs	15.40
55​	GR Viswanath	97*	West Indies	27.01	656	Chennai	1975	1	Won	100 runs	15.38
56​	AD Nourse	231	Australia	28.27	617	Johannesburg	1935	3	Draw		15.36
57​	JJ Lyons	134	England	17.29	635	Sydney	1892	3	Won	72 runs	15.30
58​	GS Sobers	168	Australia	28.52	609	Sydney	1961	1	Won	222 runs	15.26
59​	R Dravid	180	Australia	28.32	615	Kolkata	2001	3	Won	171 runs	15.24
60​	V Sehwag	319	South Africa	28.61	606	Chennai	2008	2	Draw		15.09
61​	Shahid Afridi	141	India	31.01	531	Chennai	1999	3	Won	12 runs	15.08
62​	DR Martyn	161	Sri Lanka	31.75	508	Kandy	2004	3	Won	27 runs	15.05
63​	BC Lara	182	Australia	23.34	771	Adelaide	2000	1	Lost	5 wkts	15.04
64​	Abdullah Shafique	160*	Sri Lanka	32.44	486	Galle	2022	4	Won	4 wkts	15.03
65​	DG Bradman	226	South Africa	35.37	405	Brisbane	1931	1	Won	Inns & 163 runs	14.99
66​	DG Bradman	103*	England	29.96	564	Melbourne	1933	3	Won	111 runs	14.93
67​	Saeed Anwar	118	South Africa	26.97	657	Durban	1998	3	Won	29 runs	14.91
68​	CG Greenidge	226	Australia	31.79	507	Bridgetown	1991	3	Won	343 runs	14.91
69​	ME Trescothick	180	South Africa	31.69	510	Johannesburg	2005	3	Won	77 runs	14.91
70​	GC Smith	154*	England	33.40	458	Birmingham	2008	4	Won	5 wkts	14.89
71​	CA Pujara	123	Australia	29.37	582	Adelaide	2018	1	Won	31 runs	14.88
72​	MJ Clarke	151	South Africa	28.97	595	Cape Town	2011	1	Lost	8 wkts	14.88
73​	PF Warner	132*	South Africa	32.29	305	Johannesburg	1899	3	Won	32 runs	14.86
74​	Hanif Mohammad	187*	England	29.77	570	Lord's	1967	2	Draw		14.85
75​	BB McCullum	224	India	33.25	462	Auckland	2014	1	Won	40 runs	14.84
76​	MA Butcher	116	South Africa	28.55	608	Leeds	1998	1	Won	23 runs	14.80
77​	WH Ponsford	266	England	28.17	620	The Oval	1934	1	Won	562 runs	14.77
78​	DS Atkinson	219	Australia	28.42	612	Bridgetown	1955	2	Draw		14.75
79​	MJ Slater	123	England	30.37	551	Sydney	1999	3	Won	98 runs	14.74
80​	GS Chappell	204	India	31.85	505	Sydney	1981	2	Won	Inns & 4 runs	14.74
81​	V Kohli	153	South Africa	25.55	701	Centurion	2018	2	Lost	135 runs	14.71
82​	SM Gavaskar	221	England	34.42	430	The Oval	1979	4	Draw		14.66
83​	L Hutton	156*	Australia	22.81	787	Adelaide	1951	2	Lost	274 runs	14.63
84​	GP Thorpe	113*	Sri Lanka	29.53	577	Colombo (SSC)	2001	2	Won	4 wkts	14.61
85​	DL Amiss	179	India	30.40	550	Delhi	1976	1	Won	Inns & 25 runs	14.61
86​	OG Smith	168	England	27.13	652	Nottingham	1957	3	Draw		14.60
87​	CG Greenidge	134	England	32.94	472	Manchester	1976	1	Won	425 runs	14.59
88​	PHB May	285*	West Indies	34.59	425	Birmingham	1957	3	Draw		14.58
89​	GS Chappell	176	New Zealand	32.59	482	Christchurch	1982	1	Won	8 wkts	14.56
90​	KD Walters	104*	New Zealand	30.83	536	Auckland	1974	1	Won	297 runs	14.55
91​	DPMD Jayawardene	237	South Africa	30.39	550	Galle	2004	1	Draw		14.54
92​	D Elgar	141*	Australia	28.51	609	Cape Town	2018	1	Won	322 runs	14.51
93​	HP Tillakaratne	115	Pakistan	30.70	541	Faisalabad	1995	1	Won	42 runs	14.50
94​	Azhar Ali	157	England	31.70	509	Dubai (DSC)	2012	3	Won	71 runs	14.44
95​	LPRL Taylor	290	Australia	29.88	566	Perth	2015	2	Draw		14.39
96​	VVS Laxman	167	Australia	26.05	686	Sydney	2000	3	Lost	Inns & 141 runs	14.39
97​	G Kirsten	100*	Pakistan	28.26	617	Faisalabad	1997	1	Won	53 runs	14.37
98​	DG Bradman	244	England	28.17	620	The Oval	1934	1	Won	562 runs	14.36
99​	GJ Bonnor	128	England	21.03	451	Sydney	1885	2	Won	8 wkts	14.35
100​	J Ryder	201*	England	34.17	437	Adelaide	1925	1	Won	11 runs	14.35

The rating of each bowling attack is based on the career averages at the end of the series in question of the top 5 bowlers by overs bowled, in addition to any other bowler who bowled 10% of the overs. That big advantage to this is that you get a snapshot of the strength and/or reputation of each bowler at the time the series was played. And I can also apply these bowling attack ratings when adjusting the career averages of test batsmen.

Another way to do it would be to just base the strength of each bowling attack on the career home or away/neutral averages but as I posted before, the disadvantage to this is that bowlers such as Imran Khan, Richard Hadlee and Tim Southee would be rated on their careers in their first 10 appearances, rather than their bowling averages at the time, which were very high. I would appreciate any thoughts on this conundrum.

That top 5 is gonna be there for years to come.

 

[Coronis]

I’m quite tickled that Clem’s only innings here outranks Trumper’s.

That top 5 is gonna be there for years to come.

I’m sure people would’ve said (just over 5 years ago now) that nobody would ever challenge Botham/Lara/VVS and here we are.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

I’m sure people would’ve said (just over 5 years ago now) that nobody would ever challenge Botham/Lara/VVS and here we are.

You’re jinxing my jinx

 

[honestbharani]

What about Jaiswal's Jaisball innings in the last two tests?

 

[_00_deathscar]

What about Jaiswal's Jaisball innings in the last two tests?

Doubt it would be very high. Healthy lead going into the innings, **** England attack etc

 

[honestbharani]

Doubt it would be very high. Healthy lead going into the innings, **** England attack etc

The first one should rank higher but would like to see both ranked.

 

[peterhrt]

Ponsford (number 77) was dropped six times during his 266 at The Oval in 1934.

 

[Days of Grace]

Update: Made it simpler to rate each attack by only including bowlers who bowled at least 10% of the team's overs. Not much has changed but Sehwag has moved to no.5 and Clem Hill moves to no.10.

1​	MDKJ Perera	153*	South Africa	23.26	773	Durban	2019	4	Won	1 wkt	21.04
2​	OJD Pope	196	India	22.57	795	Hyderabad	2024	3	Won	28 runs	20.61
3​	IT Botham	149*	Australia	25.80	694	Leeds	1981	3	Won	18 runs	20.25
4​	BC Lara	153*	Australia	23.07	779	Bridgetown	1999	4	Won	1 wkt	20.02
5​	V Sehwag	201*	Sri Lanka	26.08	685	Galle	2008	1	Won	170 runs	19.49
6​	GA Gooch	154*	West Indies	24.03	749	Leeds	1991	3	Won	115 runs	19.24
7​	VVS Laxman	281	Australia	28.32	615	Kolkata	2001	3	Won	171 runs	19.23
8​	KR Mayers	210*	Bangladesh	31.85	505	Chattogram	2021	4	Won	3 wkts	18.71
9​	DG Bradman	270	England	30.45	548	Melbourne	1937	3	Won	365 runs	18.23
10​	C Hill	188	England	22.41	638	Melbourne	1898	1	Won	8 wkts	18.08
11​	BA Stokes	135*	Australia	27.40	644	Leeds	2019	4	Won	1 wkt	18.01
12​	ST Jayasuriya	253	Pakistan	33.58	453	Faisalabad	2004	3	Won	201 runs	17.96
13​	C Bannerman	165*	England	19.78	511	Melbourne	1877	1	Won	45 runs	17.92
14​	BC Lara	213	Australia	23.14	777	Kingston	1999	2	Won	10 wkts	17.88
15​	Saeed Anwar	188*	India	31.82	506	Kolkata	1999	3	Won	46 runs	17.85
16​	Azhar Mahmood	132	South Africa	25.64	699	Durban	1998	1	Won	29 runs	17.83
17​	BKG Mendis	176	Australia	30.61	543	Pallekele	2016	3	Won	106 runs	17.81
18​	RN Harvey	167	England	24.00	750	Melbourne	1959	2	Won	8 wkts	17.72
19​	LD Chandimal	162*	India	32.44	486	Galle	2015	3	Won	63 runs	17.66
20​	GL Jessop	104	Australia	23.05	613	TIe Oval	1902	4	Won	1 wkt	17.64
21​	KJ Hughes	100*	West Indies	23.01	781	Melbourne	1981	1	Won	58 runs	17.30
22​	MA Butcher	173*	Australia	23.90	753	Leeds	2001	4	Won	6 wkts	17.21
23​	DG Bradman	212	England	27.21	650	Adelaide	1937	3	Won	148 runs	17.06
24​	CG Greenidge	214*	England	33.83	446	Lord's	1984	4	Won	9 wkts	16.65
25​	DPMD Jayawardene	180	England	30.68	541	Galle	2012	1	Won	75 runs	16.61
26​	RT Simpson	156*	Australia	22.51	797	Melbourne	1951	2	Won	8 wkts	16.52
27​	JE Root	190	South Africa	26.02	687	Lord's	2017	1	Won	211 runs	16.48
28​	DG Bradman	299*	South Africa	34.95	416	Adelaide	1932	2	Won	10 wkts	16.46
29​	JE Root	115*	New Zealand	25.22	712	Lord's	2022	4	Won	5 wkts	16.43
30​	AC Gilchrist	149*	Pakistan	32.37	489	Hobart	1999	4	Won	4 wkts	16.42
31​	Younis Khan	200*	Zimbabwe	33.02	469	Harare	2013	3	Won	221 runs	16.41
32​	BB McCullum	302	India	31.98	501	Wellington	2014	3	Draw		16.36
33​	Mohammad Wasim	192	Zimbabwe	31.16	526	Harare	1998	2	Won	3 wkts	16.29
34​	FDM Karunaratne	158*	South Africa	31.28	522	Galle	2018	1	Won	278 runs	16.27
35​	VT Trumper	159	South Africa	25.13	533	Melbourne	1911	3	Won	89 runs	16.14
36​	GS Sobers	168	Australia	26.01	687	Sydney	1961	1	Won	222 runs	16.05
37​	GA Headley	270*	England	30.13	559	Kingston	1935	1	Won	Inns & 161 runs	16.03
38​	WR Endean	162	Australia	24.87	723	Melbourne	1952	3	Won	82 runs	15.99
39​	DR Martyn	161	Sri Lanka	28.85	598	Kandy	2004	3	Won	27 runs	15.96
40​	ME Waugh	116	South Africa	29.83	568	Port Elizabeth	1997	4	Won	2 wkts	15.94
41​	WW Armstrong	159*	South Africa	28.47	413	Johannesburg	1902	3	Won	159 runs	15.91
42​	DG Bradman	334	England	31.37	520	Leeds	1930	1	Draw		15.91
43​	HW Taylor	176	England	28.61	606	Johannesburg	1922	3	Won	168 runs	15.90
44​	KC Sangakkara	232	South Africa	28.73	602	Colombo (SSC)	2004	1	Won	313 runs	15.89
45​	NC Johnson	107	Pakistan	25.28	710	Peshawar	1998	2	Won	7 wkts	15.89
46​	CG Greenidge	213	New Zealand	28.19	619	Auckland	1987	1	Won	10 wkts	15.89
47​	OG Smith	168	England	23.24	774	Nottingham	1957	3	Draw		15.82
48​	L Klusener	118*	Sri Lanka	30.79	538	Kandy	2000	1	Won	7 runs	15.82
49​	MC Cowdrey	102	Australia	25.33	708	Melbourne	1954	1	Won	128 runs	15.77
50​	CL Walcott	220	England	32.52	484	Bridgetown	1954	1	Won	181 runs	15.72
51​	KC Sangakkara	156*	New Zealand	30.76	539	Wellington	2006	1	Won	217 runs	15.69
52​	DW Randall	150	Australia	30.10	559	Sydney	1979	3	Won	93 runs	15.64
53​	R Dravid	233	Australia	29.88	566	Adelaide	2003	2	Won	4 wkts	15.62
54​	DM Jones	184*	England	30.24	555	Sydney	1987	1	Won	55 runs	15.60
55​	Hanif Mohammad	337	West Indies	36.79	370	Bridgetown	1958	3	Draw		15.56
56​	Younis Khan	267	India	30.85	536	Bengaluru	2005	1	Won	168 runs	15.56
57​	DG Bradman	226	South Africa	33.31	461	Brisbane	1931	1	Won	Inns & 163 runs	15.55
58​	AD Nourse	231	Australia	27.68	635	Johannesburg	1935	3	Draw		15.54
59​	Hon.FS Jackson	128	Australia	22.84	622	Manchester	1902	2	Lost	3 runs	15.41
60​	DL Amiss	262*	West Indies	33.86	445	Kingston	1974	3	Draw		15.40
61​	GR Viswanath	97*	West Indies	27.01	656	Chennai	1975	1	Won	100 runs	15.38
62​	GC Smith	154*	England	31.79	507	Birmingham	2008	4	Won	5 wkts	15.37
63​	JJ Lyons	134	England	17.29	635	Sydney	1892	3	Won	72 runs	15.30
64​	R Dravid	180	Australia	28.32	615	Kolkata	2001	3	Won	171 runs	15.24
65​	Hanif Mohammad	187*	England	28.56	608	Lord's	1967	2	Draw		15.23
66​	Shahid Afridi	141	India	30.67	542	Chennai	1999	3	Won	12 runs	15.18
67​	V Sehwag	319	South Africa	28.34	614	Chennai	2008	2	Draw		15.17
68​	CA Pujara	123	Australia	28.56	607	Adelaide	2018	1	Won	31 runs	15.13
69​	BB McCullum	224	India	32.46	486	Auckland	2014	1	Won	40 runs	15.07
70​	BC Lara	182	Australia	23.32	771	Adelaide	2000	1	Lost	5 wkts	15.04
71​	WH Ponsford	266	England	27.32	646	The Oval	1934	1	Won	562 runs	15.04
72​	PF Warner	132*	South Africa	31.70	320	Johannesburg	1899	3	Won	32 runs	15.01
73​	DL Amiss	179	India	29.19	588	Delhi	1976	1	Won	Inns & 25 runs	14.98
74​	GP Thorpe	113*	Sri Lanka	28.37	614	Colombo (SSC)	2001	2	Won	4 wkts	14.98
75​	MJ Clarke	151	South Africa	28.68	604	Cape Town	2011	1	Lost	8 wkts	14.97
76​	Abdullah Shafique	160*	Sri Lanka	32.79	476	Galle	2022	4	Won	4 wkts	14.93
77​	DG Bradman	103*	England	29.97	563	Melbourne	1933	3	Won	111 runs	14.93
78​	Saeed Anwar	118	South Africa	26.97	657	Durban	1998	3	Won	29 runs	14.91
79​	CG Greenidge	226	Australia	31.79	507	Bridgetown	1991	3	Won	343 runs	14.91
80​	ME Trescothick	180	South Africa	31.69	510	Johannesburg	2005	3	Won	77 runs	14.91
81​	D Elgar	141*	Australia	27.46	642	Cape Town	2018	1	Won	322 runs	14.84
82​	IVA Richards	182*	England	29.05	592	Bridgetown	1981	3	Won	298 runs	14.84
83​	GS Chappell	204	India	31.55	514	Sydney	1981	2	Won	Inns & 4 runs	14.83
84​	MA Butcher	116	South Africa	28.55	608	Leeds	1998	1	Won	23 runs	14.80
85​	JM Bairstow	162	New Zealand	31.11	528	Leeds	2022	2	Won	7 wkts	14.79
86​	CG Greenidge	134	England	32.30	491	Manchester	1976	1	Won	425 runs	14.79
87​	MJ Slater	123	England	30.33	552	Sydney	1999	3	Won	98 runs	14.75
88​	DS Atkinson	219	Australia	28.42	612	Bridgetown	1955	2	Draw		14.75
89​	KS Williamson	132	England	28.98	594	Wellington	2023	3	Won	1 run	14.72
90​	V Kohli	153	South Africa	25.55	701	Centurion	2018	2	Lost	135 runs	14.71
91​	VVS Laxman	167	Australia	25.08	716	Sydney	2000	3	Lost	Inns & 141 runs	14.69
92​	GS Chappell	176	New Zealand	32.24	492	Christchurch	1982	1	Won	8 wkts	14.66
93​	Azhar Ali	157	England	31.04	530	Dubai (DSC)	2012	3	Won	71 runs	14.65
94​	L Hutton	156*	Australia	22.81	787	Adelaide	1951	2	Lost	274 runs	14.63
95​	DG Bradman	244	England	27.32	646	The Oval	1934	1	Won	562 runs	14.63
96​	PHB May	285*	West Indies	34.59	425	Birmingham	1957	3	Draw		14.58
97​	KP Pietersen	158	Australia	25.79	694	The Oval	2005	3	Draw		14.56
98​	KD Walters	104*	New Zealand	30.83	536	Auckland	1974	1	Won	297 runs	14.55
99​	DPMD Jayawardene	237	South Africa	30.39	550	Galle	2004	1	Draw		14.54
100​	PS McDonnell	147	England	22.88	374	Sydney	1882	2	Won	6 wkts	14.53

 

[Days of Grace]

I still haven't decided yet between
A: Rating bowling attacks the career averages at the end of the series for bowlers
or
B: Rating bowling attacks by the home/away career averages for bowlers

For knocks like Sobers' 365, there is a marked difference.

Method A:

Career average at end of series

Fazal Mahmood

34​

93​

23.86​

23.86​

11.55​

85.2​

6​

512​

0.4099​

247​

2​

Khan Mohammad

22​

54​

23.92​

23.92​

7.33​

54​

6​

324​

0.2594​

259​

0​

AH Kardar

26​

21​

45.42​

45.42​

9.53​

37​

6​

222​

0.1777​

141​

0​

Nasim-ul-Ghani

15​

6​

90​

0.0721​

39​

0​

Saeed Ahmed

6​

6​

36​

0.0288​

24​

0​

Alimuddin

4​

6​

24​

0.0192​

34​

0​

W Mathias

4​

6​

24​

0.0192​

20​

0​

Hanif Mohammad

2​

6​

12​

0.0096​

11​

0​

Mahmood Hussain

0.5​

6​

5​

0.0040​

2​

0​

28.40​

1249​

1058​

Method B:

Career away average

Fazal Mahmood

30​

74​

30.47​

30.47​

14.75​

85.2​

6​

512​

0.4099​

247​

2​

Khan Mohammad

6​

12​

52.08​

52.08​

15.95​

54​

6​

324​

0.2594​

259​

0​

AH Kardar

15​

9​

77.88​

64.00​

13.43​

37​

6​

222​

0.1777​

141​

0​

Nasim-ul-Ghani

15​

6​

90​

0.0721​

39​

0​

Saeed Ahmed

6​

6​

36​

0.0288​

24​

0​

Alimuddin

4​

6​

24​

0.0192​

34​

0​

W Mathias

4​

6​

24​

0.0192​

20​

0​

Hanif Mohammad

2​

6​

12​

0.0096​

11​

0​

Mahmood Hussain

0.5​

6​

5​

0.0040​

2​

0​

44.12​

1249​

1058​

Each method has its advantages and disadvantages.

Method A:
+ Gives a snapshot of the relative strength of bowlers at the time of the series in question
+ No need to update data at a later point
- Bowlers such as the Indian spinners have a big difference in their home and away averages which is not reflected
- Favors bowlers who had a good start to their careers over bowlers who started off weak but then ended strongly.

Method B:
+ Bowlers who have large discrepancies in their home and away averages would be properly ranked.
+ Takes care of the lack of sample size as there is much more data.
- Need to constantly update
- Bowlers are rated over an entire career and not rated on their strength at the time of the series in question. Thus, Imran Khan, Richard Hadlee et al would be rated as 22.00 (i.e. great) bowlers in the early 1970s.

An alternative is to do career-to-date averages by location but this runs into sample size issues.


What are other posters' opinions about this?

 

[Flametree]

Nothing will be perfect. It seems logical to say someone scoring runs against Hadlee in 1975 had an easier time of it than someone scoring runs against him in 1985, so I think career-to-date averages seem logically better than using final averages. However bowlers who had bad starts to their career (relatively) are then underweighted later in their career. Someone getting runs against Anderson in 2020 say when he'd been averaging about 22 for the previous five years isn't getting full credit because his career average was still 27. I think average in last x years might be better than either...

As for home and away, "away" seems a bit vague. If an Australian seam bowler plays most of their away tests in England, NZ, SA and WI, does that average mean much if the next test they play is in Dubai or Kolkota? (I get that if the wicket is wholly unsuitable to them, they probably won't bowl many overs so won't have much impact on the final attack rating...)

And I'll throw in a question on an innings. What would Gavaskar's Oval innings rating be if India had got the 10 or so runs they needed to win that match rather than draw it?

 

[Days of Grace]

And I'll throw in a question on an innings. What would Gavaskar's Oval innings rating be if India had got the 10 or so runs they needed to win that match rather than draw it?

Thank you for your thoughts on the ratings. I will keep the career-to-date average formula for now.

To answer your question, Gavaskar's 221 at the Oval would be rated at about 16.75. The innings would be rated higher if Peter Willey did not bowl so much. I wonder why he was called on to bowl so many overs? Was there an injury?

 

[howitzer]

Thank you for your thoughts on the ratings. I will keep the career-to-date average formula for now.

To answer your question, Gavaskar's 221 at the Oval would be rated at about 16.75. The innings would be rated higher if Peter Willey did not bowl so much. I wonder why he was called on to bowl so many overs? Was there an injury?

Still means it would beat old Cuthbert's great 4th innings effort which is pretty rareified air.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Still means it would beat old Cuthbert's great 4th innings effort which is pretty rareified air.

I mean, a 221 innings in an away 4th innings run chase against Botham, Willis, Hendricks and Edmonds and taking the match to a draw with only 10 runs left to win is pretty rarefied itself.....

 

[howitzer]

I mean, a 221 innings in an away 4th innings run chase against Botham, Willis, Hendricks and Edmonds and taking the match to a draw with only 10 runs left to win is pretty rarefied itself.....

Yeah.

 

[Days of Grace]

Top 100 Test Performances Updated.

The opposition rating is based on the career-at-end-of-series averages of the top 7 batsmen.

Let me know if you want me to rate any performances not on the list.

					Top 7 Ave.	Opp. Rating
1​	SCJ Broad	8	15	Australia	41.92	617	Nottingham	2015	1	Won	20.38​
2​	A Kumble	10	74	Pakistan	38.63	568	Delhi	1999	4	Won	19.22​
3​	RJ Hadlee	9	52	Australia	35.37	483	Brisbane	1985	1	Won	18.81​
4​	GD McGrath	8	24	Pakistan	35.32	455	Perth	2004	4	Won	18.43​
5​	FR Spofforth	7	44	England	22.06	503	The Oval	1882	4	Won	18.28​
6​	JC Laker	10	53	Australia	33.81	439	Manchester	1956	3	Won	18.27​
7​	TE Bailey	7	34	West Indies	47.27	738	Kingston	1954	1	Won	18.24​
8​	RGD Willis	8	43	Australia	32.52	403	Leeds	1981	4	Won	18.08​
9​	AW Greig	8	86	West Indies	48.71	761	Port of Spain	1974	2	Won	17.95​
10​	JC Laker	9	37	Australia	33.81	439	Manchester	1956	2	Won	17.66​
11​	Abdur Rehman	6	25	England	44.78	674	Abu Dhabi	2012	4	Won	17.66​
12​	CEL Croft	8	29	Pakistan	37.32	535	Port of Spain	1977	1	Won	17.61​
13​	DE Malcolm	9	57	South Africa	35.13	476	The Oval	1994	3	Won	17.45​
14​	Harbhajan Singh	8	84	Australia	43.72	654	Chennai	2001	3	Won	17.44​
15​	SP Gupte	9	102	West Indies	48.07	751	Kanpur	1958	1	Lost	17.38​
16​	AME Roberts	7	54	Australia	39.73	594	Perth	1975	3	Won	17.32​
17​	SJ Harmison	7	12	West Indies	35.97	472	Kingston	2004	3	Won	17.28​
18​	H Verity	8	43	Australia	42.25	624	Lord's	1934	3	Won	17.15​
19​	M Muralitharan	8	70	England	39.61	566	Nottingham	2006	4	Won	17.14​
20​	PS de Villiers	6	43	Australia	40.75	617	Sydney	1994	4	Won	17.13​
21​	HJ Tayfield	9	113	England	35.66	491	Johannesburg	1957	4	Won	17.07​
22​	JE Taylor	5	11	England	43.28	645	Kingston	2009	3	Won	17.06​
23​	M Muralitharan	6	26	India	44.77	674	Colombo (SSC)	2008	3	Won	17.04​
24​	HJ Tayfield	7	23	Australia	51.61	802	Durban	1950	2	Lost	16.95​
25​	H Trumble	6	53	England	33.88	644	Manchester	1902	4	Won	16.93​
26​	WJ Whitty	6	17	South Africa	29.60	520	Melbourne	1911	4	Won	16.93​
27​	SB Doull	7	65	India	43.61	675	Wellington	1998	1	Won	16.90​
28​	MJ Hoggard	7	61	South Africa	42.23	624	Johannesburg	2005	4	Won	16.88​
29​	SCJ Broad	6	17	South Africa	39.63	566	Johannesburg	2016	3	Won	16.77​
30​	MR Whitney	7	27	India	38.56	566	Perth	1992	4	Won	16.72​
31​	J Hazlewood	5	8	India	41.54	609	Adelaide	2020	3	Won	16.71​
32​	HMRKB Herath	9	127	Pakistan	38.60	541	Colombo (SSC)	2014	2	Won	16.71​
33​	VD Philander	5	15	Australia	43.75	654	Cape Town	2011	3	Won	16.62​
34​	Yasir Shah	8	41	New Zealand	39.30	558	Dubai (DSC)	2018	2	Won	16.61​
35​	BJT Bosanquet	8	107	Australia	32.49	607	Nottingham	1905	4	Won	16.59​
36​	JM Patel	9	69	Australia	36.33	509	Kanpur	1959	2	Won	16.59​
37​	GD McKenzie	8	71	West Indies	41.85	640	Melbourne	1968	1	Won	16.57​
38​	A Kumble	8	141	Australia	51.30	779	Sydney	2004	2	Draw	16.44​
39​	ST Gabriel	5	11	Pakistan	42.01	619	Bridgetown	2017	4	Won	16.39​
40​	ND Hirwani	8	75	West Indies	37.39	537	Chennai	1988	4	Won	16.37​
41​	S Joseph	7	68	Australia	41.82	615	Brisbane	2024	4	Won	16.37​
42​	DW Steyn	6	8	Pakistan	35.54	461	Johannesburg	2013	2	Won	16.34​
43​	M Muralitharan	9	51	Zimbabwe	30.03	312	Kandy	2002	1	Won	16.32​
44​	ARC Fraser	8	75	West Indies	42.31	649	Bridgetown	1994	2	Won	16.30​
45​	Imran Khan	7	40	England	38.55	566	Leeds	1987	3	Won	16.25​
46​	Harbhajan Singh	5	29	Australia	48.33	734	Mumbai	2004	4	Won	16.24​
47​	RA Jadeja	7	48	England	41.05	599	Chennai	2016	3	Won	16.21​
48​	GA Lohmann	8	7	South Africa	15.21	24	Port Elizabeth	1896	4	Won	16.21​
49​	MA Holding	8	92	England	36.74	520	The Oval	1976	2	Won	16.20​
50​	SJ Harmison	6	19	Pakistan	40.27	581	Manchester	2006	1	Won	16.17​
51​	W Barnes	6	28	Australia	21.12	460	Sydney	1887	4	Won	16.15​
52​	Imran Khan	8	60	India	39.32	584	Karachi	1982	3	Won	16.13​
53​	IT Botham	8	34	Pakistan	37.40	537	Lord's	1978	3	Won	16.07​
54​	AY Patel	10	119	India	40.13	578	Mumbai	2021	1	Lost	16.03​
55​	GA Lohmann	9	28	South Africa	15.28	27	Johannesburg	1896	2	Won	16.03​
56​	AB Agarkar	6	41	Australia	51.30	779	Adelaide	2003	3	Won	16.00​
57​	RAL Massie	8	53	England	39.24	583	Lord's	1972	3	Won	15.97​
58​	MG Johnson	7	68	South Africa	43.35	647	Centurion	2014	2	Won	15.93​
59​	SM Boland	6	7	England	33.98	418	Melbourne	2021	3	Won	15.92​
60​	MH Mankad	8	55	England	37.59	542	Chennai	1952	1	Won	15.91​
61​	JA Snow	7	40	Australia	39.36	585	Sydney	1971	4	Won	15.89​
62​	Abdul Qadir	6	16	West Indies	40.94	621	Faisalabad	1986	4	Won	15.89​
63​	M Morkel	5	20	India	47.99	729	Centurion	2010	1	Won	15.88​
64​	MA Noble	7	17	England	29.23	508	Melbourne	1902	2	Won	15.86​
65​	D Bishoo	8	49	Pakistan	39.51	564	Dubai (DSC)	2016	3	Lost	15.83​
66​	Fazal Mahmood	6	46	England	39.47	588	The Oval	1954	4	Won	15.80​
67​	Abdul Qadir	9	56	England	32.22	395	Lahore	1987	1	Won	15.80​
68​	Imran Khan	6	35	India	39.32	584	Hyderabad (Sind)	1983	2	Won	15.80​
69​	NM Lyon	8	64	India	41.17	601	Indore	2023	3	Won	15.70​
70​	ND Hirwani	8	61	West Indies	37.39	537	Chennai	1988	2	Won	15.69​
71​	M Muralitharan	8	87	India	33.62	409	Colombo (SSC)	2001	1	Won	15.67​
72​	DG Cork	7	43	West Indies	42.32	649	Lord's	1995	4	Won	15.66​
73​	KAJ Roach	5	8	Bangladesh	33.00	392	North Sound	2018	1	Won	15.65​
74​	IT Botham	7	48	India	38.13	556	Wankhede	1980	3	Won	15.64​
75​	L Klusener	8	64	India	35.92	498	Kolkata	1996	4	Won	15.62​
76​	Shoaib Akhtar	6	11	New Zealand	32.79	386	Lahore	2002	1	Won	15.60​
77​	HMRKB Herath	7	48	India	36.11	476	Galle	2015	4	Won	15.59​
78​	RAL Massie	8	84	England	39.24	583	Lord's	1972	1	Won	15.55​
79​	GF Bissett	7	29	England	37.17	505	Durban	1928	3	Won	15.53​
80​	SNJ O'Keefe	6	35	India	42.25	624	Pune	2017	4	Won	15.51​
81​	DW Headley	6	60	Australia	39.51	589	Melbourne	1998	4	Won	15.50​
82​	RJ Kirtley	6	34	South Africa	42.32	626	Nottingham	2003	4	Won	15.44​
83​	I Sharma	7	74	England	42.41	628	Lord's	2014	4	Won	15.44​
84​	J Briggs	8	11	South Africa	13.20	100	Cape Town	1889	3	Won	15.43​
85​	DW Steyn	7	51	India	39.95	574	Nagpur	2010	2	Won	15.42​
86​	Sajid Khan	8	42	Bangladesh	32.54	379	Mirpur	2021	2	Won	15.42​
87​	JB Statham	7	39	South Africa	31.57	377	Lord's	1955	4	Won	15.41​
88​	SCJ Broad	5	37	Australia	45.27	683	The Oval	2009	2	Won	15.40​
89​	SK Warne	8	71	England	37.56	542	Brisbane	1994	4	Won	15.40​
90​	BA Reid	7	51	England	36.51	514	Melbourne	1990	3	Won	15.36​
91​	N Kapil Dev	9	83	West Indies	42.52	653	Ahmedabad	1983	3	Lost	15.35​
92​	AR Border	7	46	West Indies	40.04	601	Sydney	1989	1	Won	15.35​
93​	Harbhajan Singh	7	123	Australia	43.72	654	Kolkata	2001	1	Won	15.34​
94​	SK Warne	7	23	Pakistan	32.94	415	Brisbane	1995	2	Won	15.34​
95​	WPUJC Vaas	6	29	South Africa	44.06	660	Colombo (SSC)	2004	4	Won	15.33​
96​	H Larwood	6	32	Australia	40.06	576	Brisbane	1928	2	Won	15.31​
97​	FS Trueman	7	44	West Indies	43.08	664	Birmingham	1963	4	Won	15.29​
98​	LR Gibbs	8	38	India	33.16	421	Bridgetown	1962	3	Won	15.29​
99​	MG Hughes	8	87	West Indies	40.04	601	Perth	1988	3	Lost	15.28​
100​	CEL Ambrose	6	24	England	34.32	453	Port of Spain	1994	4	Won	15.26​

 

[Xix2565]

What made Kumble's 10fer better than Laker's 10fer?

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Top 100 Test Performances Updated.

The opposition rating is based on the career-to-date averages of the top 7 batsmen.

Let me know if you want me to rate any performances not on the list.

					Top 7 Ave.	Opp. Rating
1​	SCJ Broad	8	15	Australia	41.92	617	Nottingham	2015	1	Won	20.38​
2​	A Kumble	10	74	Pakistan	38.63	568	Delhi	1999	4	Won	19.22​
3​	RJ Hadlee	9	52	Australia	35.37	483	Brisbane	1985	1	Won	18.81​
4​	GD McGrath	8	24	Pakistan	35.32	455	Perth	2004	4	Won	18.43​
5​	FR Spofforth	7	44	England	22.06	503	The Oval	1882	4	Won	18.28​
6​	JC Laker	10	53	Australia	33.81	439	Manchester	1956	3	Won	18.27​
7​	TE Bailey	7	34	West Indies	47.27	738	Kingston	1954	1	Won	18.24​
8​	RGD Willis	8	43	Australia	32.52	403	Leeds	1981	4	Won	18.08​
9​	AW Greig	8	86	West Indies	48.71	761	Port of Spain	1974	2	Won	17.95​
10​	JC Laker	9	37	Australia	33.81	439	Manchester	1956	2	Won	17.66​
11​	Abdur Rehman	6	25	England	44.78	674	Abu Dhabi	2012	4	Won	17.66​
12​	CEL Croft	8	29	Pakistan	37.32	535	Port of Spain	1977	1	Won	17.61​
13​	DE Malcolm	9	57	South Africa	35.13	476	The Oval	1994	3	Won	17.45​
14​	Harbhajan Singh	8	84	Australia	43.72	654	Chennai	2001	3	Won	17.44​
15​	SP Gupte	9	102	West Indies	48.07	751	Kanpur	1958	1	Lost	17.38​
16​	AME Roberts	7	54	Australia	39.73	594	Perth	1975	3	Won	17.32​
17​	SJ Harmison	7	12	West Indies	35.97	472	Kingston	2004	3	Won	17.28​
18​	H Verity	8	43	Australia	42.25	624	Lord's	1934	3	Won	17.15​
19​	M Muralitharan	8	70	England	39.61	566	Nottingham	2006	4	Won	17.14​
20​	PS de Villiers	6	43	Australia	40.75	617	Sydney	1994	4	Won	17.13​
21​	HJ Tayfield	9	113	England	35.66	491	Johannesburg	1957	4	Won	17.07​
22​	JE Taylor	5	11	England	43.28	645	Kingston	2009	3	Won	17.06​
23​	M Muralitharan	6	26	India	44.77	674	Colombo (SSC)	2008	3	Won	17.04​
24​	HJ Tayfield	7	23	Australia	51.61	802	Durban	1950	2	Lost	16.95​
25​	H Trumble	6	53	England	33.88	644	Manchester	1902	4	Won	16.93​
26​	WJ Whitty	6	17	South Africa	29.60	520	Melbourne	1911	4	Won	16.93​
27​	SB Doull	7	65	India	43.61	675	Wellington	1998	1	Won	16.90​
28​	MJ Hoggard	7	61	South Africa	42.23	624	Johannesburg	2005	4	Won	16.88​
29​	SCJ Broad	6	17	South Africa	39.63	566	Johannesburg	2016	3	Won	16.77​
30​	MR Whitney	7	27	India	38.56	566	Perth	1992	4	Won	16.72​
31​	J Hazlewood	5	8	India	41.54	609	Adelaide	2020	3	Won	16.71​
32​	HMRKB Herath	9	127	Pakistan	38.60	541	Colombo (SSC)	2014	2	Won	16.71​
33​	VD Philander	5	15	Australia	43.75	654	Cape Town	2011	3	Won	16.62​
34​	Yasir Shah	8	41	New Zealand	39.30	558	Dubai (DSC)	2018	2	Won	16.61​
35​	BJT Bosanquet	8	107	Australia	32.49	607	Nottingham	1905	4	Won	16.59​
36​	JM Patel	9	69	Australia	36.33	509	Kanpur	1959	2	Won	16.59​
37​	GD McKenzie	8	71	West Indies	41.85	640	Melbourne	1968	1	Won	16.57​
38​	A Kumble	8	141	Australia	51.30	779	Sydney	2004	2	Draw	16.44​
39​	ST Gabriel	5	11	Pakistan	42.01	619	Bridgetown	2017	4	Won	16.39​
40​	ND Hirwani	8	75	West Indies	37.39	537	Chennai	1988	4	Won	16.37​
41​	S Joseph	7	68	Australia	41.82	615	Brisbane	2023	4	Won	16.37​
42​	DW Steyn	6	8	Pakistan	35.54	461	Johannesburg	2013	2	Won	16.34​
43​	M Muralitharan	9	51	Zimbabwe	30.03	312	Kandy	2002	1	Won	16.32​
44​	ARC Fraser	8	75	West Indies	42.31	649	Bridgetown	1994	2	Won	16.30​
45​	Imran Khan	7	40	England	38.55	566	Leeds	1987	3	Won	16.25​
46​	Harbhajan Singh	5	29	Australia	48.33	734	Mumbai	2004	4	Won	16.24​
47​	RA Jadeja	7	48	England	41.05	599	Chennai	2016	3	Won	16.21​
48​	GA Lohmann	8	7	South Africa	15.21	24	Port Elizabeth	1896	4	Won	16.21​
49​	MA Holding	8	92	England	36.74	520	The Oval	1976	2	Won	16.20​
50​	SJ Harmison	6	19	Pakistan	40.27	581	Manchester	2006	1	Won	16.17​
51​	W Barnes	6	28	Australia	21.12	460	Sydney	1887	4	Won	16.15​
52​	Imran Khan	8	60	India	39.32	584	Karachi	1982	3	Won	16.13​
53​	IT Botham	8	34	Pakistan	37.40	537	Lord's	1978	3	Won	16.07​
54​	AY Patel	10	119	India	40.13	578	Mumbai	2021	1	Lost	16.03​
55​	GA Lohmann	9	28	South Africa	15.28	27	Johannesburg	1896	2	Won	16.03​
56​	AB Agarkar	6	41	Australia	51.30	779	Adelaide	2003	3	Won	16.00​
57​	RAL Massie	8	53	England	39.24	583	Lord's	1972	3	Won	15.97​
58​	MG Johnson	7	68	South Africa	43.35	647	Centurion	2014	2	Won	15.93​
59​	SM Boland	6	7	England	33.98	418	Melbourne	2021	3	Won	15.92​
60​	MH Mankad	8	55	England	37.59	542	Chennai	1952	1	Won	15.91​
61​	JA Snow	7	40	Australia	39.36	585	Sydney	1971	4	Won	15.89​
62​	Abdul Qadir	6	16	West Indies	40.94	621	Faisalabad	1986	4	Won	15.89​
63​	M Morkel	5	20	India	47.99	729	Centurion	2010	1	Won	15.88​
64​	MA Noble	7	17	England	29.23	508	Melbourne	1902	2	Won	15.86​
65​	D Bishoo	8	49	Pakistan	39.51	564	Dubai (DSC)	2016	3	Lost	15.83​
66​	Fazal Mahmood	6	46	England	39.47	588	The Oval	1954	4	Won	15.80​
67​	Abdul Qadir	9	56	England	32.22	395	Lahore	1987	1	Won	15.80​
68​	Imran Khan	6	35	India	39.32	584	Hyderabad (Sind)	1983	2	Won	15.80​
69​	NM Lyon	8	64	India	41.17	601	Indore	2023	3	Won	15.70​
70​	ND Hirwani	8	61	West Indies	37.39	537	Chennai	1988	2	Won	15.69​
71​	M Muralitharan	8	87	India	33.62	409	Colombo (SSC)	2001	1	Won	15.67​
72​	DG Cork	7	43	West Indies	42.32	649	Lord's	1995	4	Won	15.66​
73​	KAJ Roach	5	8	Bangladesh	33.00	392	North Sound	2018	1	Won	15.65​
74​	IT Botham	7	48	India	38.13	556	Wankhede	1980	3	Won	15.64​
75​	L Klusener	8	64	India	35.92	498	Kolkata	1996	4	Won	15.62​
76​	Shoaib Akhtar	6	11	New Zealand	32.79	386	Lahore	2002	1	Won	15.60​
77​	HMRKB Herath	7	48	India	36.11	476	Galle	2015	4	Won	15.59​
78​	RAL Massie	8	84	England	39.24	583	Lord's	1972	1	Won	15.55​
79​	GF Bissett	7	29	England	37.17	505	Durban	1928	3	Won	15.53​
80​	SNJ O'Keefe	6	35	India	42.25	624	Pune	2017	4	Won	15.51​
81​	DW Headley	6	60	Australia	39.51	589	Melbourne	1998	4	Won	15.50​
82​	RJ Kirtley	6	34	South Africa	42.32	626	Nottingham	2003	4	Won	15.44​
83​	I Sharma	7	74	England	42.41	628	Lord's	2014	4	Won	15.44​
84​	J Briggs	8	11	South Africa	13.20	100	Cape Town	1889	3	Won	15.43​
85​	DW Steyn	7	51	India	39.95	574	Nagpur	2010	2	Won	15.42​
86​	Sajid Khan	8	42	Bangladesh	32.54	379	Mirpur	2021	2	Won	15.42​
87​	JB Statham	7	39	South Africa	31.57	377	Lord's	1955	4	Won	15.41​
88​	SCJ Broad	5	37	Australia	45.27	683	The Oval	2009	2	Won	15.40​
89​	SK Warne	8	71	England	37.56	542	Brisbane	1994	4	Won	15.40​
90​	BA Reid	7	51	England	36.51	514	Melbourne	1990	3	Won	15.36​
91​	N Kapil Dev	9	83	West Indies	42.52	653	Ahmedabad	1983	3	Lost	15.35​
92​	AR Border	7	46	West Indies	40.04	601	Sydney	1989	1	Won	15.35​
93​	Harbhajan Singh	7	123	Australia	43.72	654	Kolkata	2001	1	Won	15.34​
94​	SK Warne	7	23	Pakistan	32.94	415	Brisbane	1995	2	Won	15.34​
95​	WPUJC Vaas	6	29	South Africa	44.06	660	Colombo (SSC)	2004	4	Won	15.33​
96​	H Larwood	6	32	Australia	40.06	576	Brisbane	1928	2	Won	15.31​
97​	FS Trueman	7	44	West Indies	43.08	664	Birmingham	1963	4	Won	15.29​
98​	LR Gibbs	8	38	India	33.16	421	Bridgetown	1962	3	Won	15.29​
99​	MG Hughes	8	87	West Indies	40.04	601	Perth	1988	3	Lost	15.28​
100​	CEL Ambrose	6	24	England	34.32	453	Port of Spain	1994	4	Won	15.26​

Shamar Joseph is 2024

 

[Days of Grace]

What made Kumble's 10fer better than Laker's 10fer?

A better batting lineup.

Australia 1956

RN Harvey	77​	3963​	55.81​	55.81​
CC McDonald	33​	1409​	44.03​	44.03​
KR Miller	85​	2926​	37.51​	37.51​
JW Burke	20​	495​	27.50​	27.50​
ID Craig	6​	155​	25.83​	25.83​
RG Archer	28​	676​	25.03​	25.03​
R Benaud	38​	755​	20.97​	20.97​
			Average:	33.81​

Pakistan 1999

Saeed Anwar	64​	2794​	44.34​	44.34​
Saleem Malik	152​	5727​	44.05​	44.05​
Inzamam-ul-Haq	88​	3253​	41.70​	41.70​
Ijaz Ahmed	78​	2840​	38.37​	38.37​
Shahid Afridi	6​	241​	40.16​	37.25​
Mohammad Yousuf	16​	530​	35.33​	35.33​
Moin Khan	66​	1763​	29.38​	29.38​
			Average:	38.63​

 

[OverratedSanity]

I still haven't decided yet between
A: Rating bowling attacks the career averages at the end of the series for bowlers
or
B: Rating bowling attacks by the home/away career averages for bowlers

For knocks like Sobers' 365, there is a marked difference.

Method A:

Career average at end of series

Fazal Mahmood

34​

93​

23.86​

23.86​

11.55​

85.2​

6​

512​

0.4099​

247​

2​

Khan Mohammad

22​

54​

23.92​

23.92​

7.33​

54​

6​

324​

0.2594​

259​

0​

AH Kardar

26​

21​

45.42​

45.42​

9.53​

37​

6​

222​

0.1777​

141​

0​

Nasim-ul-Ghani

15​

6​

90​

0.0721​

39​

0​

Saeed Ahmed

6​

6​

36​

0.0288​

24​

0​

Alimuddin

4​

6​

24​

0.0192​

34​

0​

W Mathias

4​

6​

24​

0.0192​

20​

0​

Hanif Mohammad

2​

6​

12​

0.0096​

11​

0​

Mahmood Hussain

0.5​

6​

5​

0.0040​

2​

0​

28.40​

1249​

1058​

Method B:

Career away average

Fazal Mahmood

30​

74​

30.47​

30.47​

14.75​

85.2​

6​

512​

0.4099​

247​

2​

Khan Mohammad

6​

12​

52.08​

52.08​

15.95​

54​

6​

324​

0.2594​

259​

0​

AH Kardar

15​

9​

77.88​

64.00​

13.43​

37​

6​

222​

0.1777​

141​

0​

Nasim-ul-Ghani

15​

6​

90​

0.0721​

39​

0​

Saeed Ahmed

6​

6​

36​

0.0288​

24​

0​

Alimuddin

4​

6​

24​

0.0192​

34​

0​

W Mathias

4​

6​

24​

0.0192​

20​

0​

Hanif Mohammad

2​

6​

12​

0.0096​

11​

0​

Mahmood Hussain

0.5​

6​

5​

0.0040​

2​

0​

44.12​

1249​

1058​

Each method has its advantages and disadvantages.

Method A:
+ Gives a snapshot of the relative strength of bowlers at the time of the series in question
+ No need to update data at a later point
- Bowlers such as the Indian spinners have a big difference in their home and away averages which is not reflected
- Favors bowlers who had a good start to their careers over bowlers who started off weak but then ended strongly.

Method B:
+ Bowlers who have large discrepancies in their home and away averages would be properly ranked.
+ Takes care of the lack of sample size as there is much more data.
- Need to constantly update
- Bowlers are rated over an entire career and not rated on their strength at the time of the series in question. Thus, Imran Khan, Richard Hadlee et al would be rated as 22.00 (i.e. great) bowlers in the early 1970s.

An alternative is to do career-to-date averages by location but this runs into sample size issues.


What are other posters' opinions about this?

Hmm, I don't think I like the way you've chosen to rate the quality of opposition bowling/batting. Career averages up to that point effectively just show the reputation of the bowlers at the time. Feel like a "average in last 20 games" metric or some similar rolling average would come closer to more accurately showing how good those players were on the day.