***Official*** West Indies tour of Australia, Jan–Feb 2024

[The_CricketUmpire]

Also another interesting stat - Aamer Jamal dismissed every Aus player at least once in the Aus vs PAK series. Shamar Joseph came within one Usman Khawaja wicket of replicating the feat in the Aus vs WI series.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Visiting bowlers took 76 wickets vs AUS this summer and of the 76 wickets - 40 of them were by bowlers playing in their debut series
18 - Aamer Jamal
13 - Shamar Joseph
5 - Khurram Shehzad
3 - Justin Greaves
1 - Kevin Sinclair

 

[Spark]

Craddock has a curious theory re: Marnus - that he was mentally worn out by the entire WC and the entire "will I/won't I play the next game" thing going on for the whole tournament.

 

[Prince EWS]

Craddock has a curious theory re: Marnus - that he was mentally worn out by the entire WC and the entire "will I/won't I play the next game" thing going on for the whole tournament.

This is the sort of stuff cricket journalists will often come out with to explain much more boring things like plain variance and lack of confidence. I just don't really buy it.

Marnus was exceedingly lucky for some time with dropped catches. When his luck dried up he kept getting out the same way for a low average, and when you keep getting out the same way for a low average you start to doubt yourself and/or change things. Sometimes that irons out a flaw but sometimes that just makes you worse as you lose what made you successful.

He's a hard worker and a good bat and I don't think he's gonna average sub-30 forever, but I do genuinely think it's this. Cricket writers can't exist full-time without metanarratives so I don't blame Crash for floating it but this is not actually the real problem IMO.

 

[Nintendo]

Craddock has a curious theory re: Marnus - that he was mentally worn out by the entire WC and the entire "will I/won't I play the next game" thing going on for the whole tournament.

The slump in red ball isn't just a post WC thing though? I could see it explaining the post WC stuff, but he was also pretty poor in the SA home series and the Ashes in England.

Ide be interested to see his first drop average (average only accounting for runs he made before his first drop catch) before and after the SA home series, and also the amount of times he's been dropped in both of those periods. From memory he's been getting out in the 20-40 run period where before the SA series he'd have been dropped and turned it into a big score. I don't think there's been any obvious trends in his modes of dismissal in that period, and he's still having good games once in a while (4th ashes test, Sydney vs pak).

Don't know if sending him back to domestic cricket would help much either. He did well for Glamorgan in the leadup to the Ashes and went on to have a pretty bad series.

 

[Spark]

The slump in red ball isn't just a post WC thing though? I could see it explaining the post WC stuff, but he was also pretty poor in the SA home series and the Ashes in England.

Ide be interested to see his first drop average (average only accounting for runs he made before his first drop catch) before and after the SA home series, and also the amount of times he's been dropped in both of those periods. From memory he's been getting out in the 20-40 run period where before the SA series he'd have been dropped and turned it into a big score. I don't think there's been any obvious trends in his modes of dismissal in that period, and he's still having good games once in a while (4th ashes test, Sydney vs pak).

Don't know if sending him back to domestic cricket would help much either. He did well for Glamorgan in the leadup to the Ashes and went on to have a pretty bad series.

Yeah like I said it's just a theory. The only reason I give it any credence is that until this game - and you know I was much more negative about his batting than you were before this week - there really was absolutely no pattern to his dismissals at all. He might nick off fishing at one. Or he might pan one to backward point. Or he might hook down fine leg's throat etc. Just constantly finding weird ways to get out, often after getting a start but without putting together truly significant. That's a concentration issue for mine - until this last game, where it became pretty clear that he has problems on and around off stump for whatever reason.

 

[Spikey]

Craddock has a curious theory re: Marnus - that he was mentally worn out by the entire WC and the entire "will I/won't I play the next game" thing going on for the whole tournament.

**** this is one of my favourite dumb narratives yet

 

[Spikey]

tbf I'd be mentally worn out too if I was basically in a selection battle with marcus ****ing stoinis

 

[Nintendo]

tbf I'd be mentally worn out too if I was basically in a selection battle with marcus ****ing stoinis

Hey, that's marcus "I haven't passed 50 in ODI since before the 2019 WC" Stoinis to you. What's the volume of your biceps, minus body fat, in british stone, nerd.

 

[Spark]

Hey, that's marcus "I haven't passed 50 in ODI since before the 2019 WC" Stoinis to you. What's the volume of your biceps, minus body fat, in british stone, nerd.

you make a good case. have a contract with the melbourne stars for the next three years

 

[Beamer]

So onto the ODI's now. Expecting a 3-0 loss and not a very competitive series I'm afraid. Personally, I think this is the weakest squad we have picked for this Australia tour, because all the T20 stars who would actually make the 50-over side on merit opted out including Brandon King, Sherfane Rutherford, Nicholas Pooran, Jason Holder (though he's not a great white ball player anyway) and Kyle Mayers (who has struggled recently anyway).

We are all kinds of diabolical in this format anyway. It is basically getting Shai Hope out to win at the best of times, let alone with so many players missing. Of interest will be Justin Greaves as an opener after he performed so well in the last few List A tournaments and youngster Teddy Bishop, who is talented and scores quickly, but will never have faced bowling of this quality before. Athanaze has also shown some encouraging signs as an opener.

I'm guessing this will be the lineup:

Justin Greaves (seam all-rounder)
Alick Athanaze
Keacey Carty
Shai Hope (c, wk)
Teddy Bishop
Roston Chase (spin all-rounder)
Romario Shepherd
Alzarri Joseph
Gudakesh Motie
Matthew Forde/Hayden Walsh Jr (depending on conditions)
Oshane Thomas

 

[nightprowler10]

Pakistan must be kicking themselves even more now you'd have to think. They had a serious chance to do something historic against this Australia side just like WI have but completely **** all over themselves at crucial moments.

All we had to do was do the very basic cricket thing where you have to hold on to the ball instead of dropping it.

 

[Nas207]

Travis Head's **** summer also gone a bit unnoticed. Outside his Adelaide ton (which was very good tbf, if extremely lucky) he did nothing. Could be whatever magic luck he's had over the last few years is wearing off too

Please don't drop the Head. As a neutral he's the only Australian i enjoy watching bat

 

[Burgey]

Also another interesting stat - Aamer Jamal dismissed every Aus player at least once in the Aus vs PAK series. Shamar Joseph came within one Usman Khawaja wicket of replicating the feat in the Aus vs WI series.

That’s a fair effort by Joseph in a two test series

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

So onto the ODI's now. Expecting a 3-0 loss and not a very competitive series I'm afraid. Personally, I think this is the weakest squad we have picked for this Australia tour, because all the T20 stars who would actually make the 50-over side on merit opted out including Brandon King, Sherfane Rutherford, Nicholas Pooran, Jason Holder (though he's not a great white ball player anyway) and Kyle Mayers (who has struggled recently anyway).

We are all kinds of diabolical in this format anyway. It is basically getting Shai Hope out to win at the best of times, let alone with so many players missing. Of interest will be Justin Greaves as an opener after he performed so well in the last few List A tournaments and youngster Teddy Bishop, who is talented and scores quickly, but will never have faced bowling of this quality before. Athanaze has also shown some encouraging signs as an opener.

I'm guessing this will be the lineup:

Justin Greaves (seam all-rounder)
Alick Athanaze
Keacey Carty
Shai Hope (c, wk)
Teddy Bishop
Roston Chase (spin all-rounder)
Romario Shepherd
Alzarri Joseph
Gudakesh Motie
Matthew Forde/Hayden Walsh Jr (depending on conditions)
Oshane Thomas

Expecting licks yeah...but also stellar performance from someone not named Shai in the team.

 

[Molehill]

Expecting licks yeah...but also stellar performance from someone not named Shai in the team.

I think they might surprise again. Were more than competitive against England (I know there's some kind of weird thing that goes on when England tour there) and this is by no means a strong Australian squad. Can easily see them winning one game at least.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

I think they might surprise again. Were more than competitive against England (I know there's some kind of weird thing that goes on when England tour there) and this is by no means a strong Australian squad. Can easily see them winning one game at least.

And our team is absent of 50% of the group that played against England a few months ago.

 

[Molehill]

And our team is absent of 50% of the group that played against England a few months ago.

As is the Aussie team from the World Cup.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

As is the Aussie team from the World Cup.

Still a mismatch tho.

 

[Beamer]

Still a mismatch tho.

Yeah Aussie strength in depth versus ours, I know who wins ....