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***Official*** West Indies tour of Australia, Jan–Feb 2024

Spark

Spark

Global Moderator
Starfighter said:
Some of his best innings were scored in suboptimal situations, like in Hobart vs England (3/12) and his 92 vs SA (3/27).
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Oh yeah absolutely, if anything he made it his specialty. But it's not actually a sign of a functional batting order that he has to keep doing that.
 
Spark

Spark

Global Moderator
Starfighter said:
But it's probably not a specific reason for his own poor summer.
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It is a little bit, though? He's being over-exposed to a brand new ball in bowling-friendly conditions. That ideally not happening is why he bats #5.

He was below par, don't get me wrong, but there's a bit of symptom mixed in with underlying disease here.
 
Q

Qlder

International Regular
Spark said:
Whether this is the case or not, should be pointed out that he was coming in at like 3/30 in the first ten overs a fair bit this summer. If that's happening then the bigger problem is above him; short of peak Clarke that's a situation a lot of #5s would struggle with.
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That's just not true. In 5 Tests he only came in twice within the 10th over (which he got 2 golden ducks). Other innings were

3-238 (56.3) - scored 40
3-87 (36.5) - 14
3-154 (57.5) - 17
3-187 (73.2) - 10
3-67 (22.5) - 119
3-113 (30.5) - 0
 
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Starfighter

Starfighter

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Spark said:
It is a little bit, though? He's being over-exposed to a brand new ball in bowling-friendly conditions. That ideally not happening is why he bats #5.

He was below par, don't get me wrong, but there's a bit of symptom mixed in with underlying disease here.
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Those two innings I mentioned were as good bowling conditions as any this summer. The centuries at Brisbane and in the WTC final also had bowling friendly conditions. The question is - what's so different this time round? Luck? He played some poor shots as well.
 
Spark

Spark

Global Moderator
Starfighter said:
Those two innings I mentioned were as good bowling conditions as any this summer. The centuries at Brisbane and in the WTC final also had bowling friendly conditions. The question is - what's so different this time round? Luck? He played some poor shots as well.
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Luck, mental fatigue, bowlers with extra pace targeting a known weakness of his early on (very full and straight) - take your pick. My point is only that while he wasn't great it's also something that may fix itself if the top four fixes itself.
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
OverratedSanity said:
Pakistan must be kicking themselves even more now you'd have to think. They had a serious chance to do something historic against this Australia side just like WI have but completely **** all over themselves at crucial moments.
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Its funny coz Aussies themselves must be doing that looking at how they let slip the opportunity in India and now England are not.
 
Spark

Spark

Global Moderator
honestbharani said:
Its funny coz Aussies themselves must be doing that looking at how they let slip the opportunity in India and now England are not.
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They've played one game. Though yes Delhi will go down as a generational missed opportunity. It might be a long time before we get another like it, and it's almost certain that most of the senior players won't be there for that.
 
The_CricketUmpire

The_CricketUmpire

First Class Debutant
Shamar Joseph joins a good list here, and he only bowled 11.5 overs...

Best Bowling Performances by a Visiting Bowler in Australia - Top 25

Richard Hadlee: 9/52 (23.4 overs)

Sarfraz Nawaz: 9/86 (35.4 overs)

George Lohmann: 8/35 (27.1 overs)

George Lohmann: 8/58 (43.2 overs)

Wilfred Rhodes: 8/68 (15.0 overs)

Len Braund: 8/81 (29.1 overs)

Tom Richardson: 8/94 (36.1 overs)

Kapil Dev: 8/106 (38 overs)

Jack White: 8/126 (64.5 overs)

Anil Kumble: 8/141 (46.5 overs)

Curtly Ambrose: 7/25 (18 overs)

Frank Tyson: 7/27 (12.3 overs)

William Bates: 7/28 (26.2 overs)

Richard Barlow: 7/40 (34.2 overs)

John Snow: 7/40 (17.5 overs)

Andy Roberts: 7/54 (14 overs)

Gerry Gomez: 7/55 (18.0 overs)

Wilfred Rhodes: 7/56 (15.2 overs)

John Statham: 7/57 (28 overs)

Sydney Barnes: 7/60 (22.4 overs)

Tom Emmett: 7/68 (59 overs)

Shamar Joseph: 7/68 (11.5 overs)

William Bates: 7/74 (33 overs)

John Emburey: 7/78 (46 overs)

Frederick Titmus: 7/79 (37 overs)
 
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