*Official* England in India 2023/24 #CryMoreTour

[OverratedSanity]

Hit below knee roll on an Indian pitch & going over?

I call bs on that one

Its bounced a lot all day. Had a long stride in too.

 

[Burgey]

Hopefully the myth Gill misses out again

 

[Burgey]

Green didn't play until Indore, we went in with this same 3 spinner 1 quick balance at Delhi (and it backfired)

Fair enough. As it should tbh

 

[ataraxia]

Its bounced a lot all day. Had a long stride in too.

Yeah as someone who is not fully convinced about how DRS handles spinners' bounce, looked like it was going just over to me.

 

[Molehill]

Hopefully the myth Gill misses out again

He's certainly making the English spinners look better all of a sudden and he's taking the strike away from Jaiswal too.

 

[JavaHurricane]

That was an absolutely filthy long hop. Why is Hartley still on?

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

They're probably bowling him hoping he jags a wicket or else his confidence will be completely shot.

 

[ataraxia]

What is the most runs ever conceded in an opening spell (or at least since 1980 or so when bowling 15+ overs on the trot stopped being a thing)?

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yeah as someone who is not fully convinced about how DRS handles spinners' bounce

I've become more and more convinced it doesn't accurately account for the flattening out of the ball's trajectory after it bounces. It's very different for spinners than it is for pacers.

 

[ataraxia]

Re: Hartley, Bazball for spinners is "we have confidence in you, especially when you fail". It's playing the long game, and making sure the spinners know they have a chance to redeem themselves so they can bowl rather than worry. I quite like it tbh, only works with good selection though lol.

 

[ataraxia]

I've become more and more convinced it doesn't accurately account for the flattening out of the ball's trajectory after it bounces. It's very different for spinners than it is for pacers.

I lack the physics but it's possibly relevant to compare the depth to which slips stand to spinners as to pacers, a much much greater difference than their respective pace. The ball really dies for spin, doesn't it.

 

[ataraxia]

Obligatory note that after a recent slump (reducing an average of 80 is rather easy), Sarfaraz scored 161 (160) for India A.

 

[Spark]

I lack the physics but it's possibly relevant to compare the depth to which slips stand to spinners as to pacers, a much much greater difference than their respective pace. The ball really dies for spin, doesn't it.

The only reason you can't just take the velocity of the ball at impact and project from there is due to interactions between the ball's rotation and the trajectory i.e. drift/dip. But you aren't really meant to make special dispensations for that when adjudicating LBW anyway.

 

[KungFu_Kallis]

Mmm more juicy pies

 

[Starfighter]

I've become more and more convinced it doesn't accurately account for the flattening out of the ball's trajectory after it bounces. It's very different for spinners than it is for pacers.

I dunno, I my experience spinners do often bounce the ball surprisingly steeply. Maybe not as steep as some hawkeyes I've seen, but I don't think there's any special flattening going on other than a normal ballistic trajectory.

 

[Molehill]

Hartley instead of Anderson/Robinson just looks a bit daft. No way either of those 2 go for 7 an over and the way Jaiswal played Wood there's a chance they might have nicked him out too.

 

[OverratedSanity]

The only reason you can't just take the velocity of the ball at impact and project from there is due to interactions between the ball's rotation and the trajectory i.e. drift/dip. But you aren't really meant to make special dispensations for that when adjudicating LBW anyway.

Ideally if the technology was good enough you would. I mean, you account for sideways spin, why not overspin too? That little bit of overspin makes these height decisions for LBW's off spinners look a bit strange when the DRS shows it still rising two feet after its passed the pad.

No real solution for it though, and overall, DRS has helped spinners way more than pacers anyway.

 

[Spark]

Ideally if the technology was good enough you would. I mean, you account for sideways spin, why not overspin too? That little bit of overspin makes these height decisions for LBW's off spinners look a bit strange when the DRS shows it still rising two feet after its passed the pad.

No real solution for it though, and overall, DRS has helped spinners way more than pacers anyway.

No but like my point is that the way the law is worded, you're not meant to account for any deviations from a ballistic trajectory. I don't know how you'd model dip anyway.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I dunno, I my experience spinners do often bounce the ball surprisingly steeply. Maybe not as steep as some hawkeyes I've seen, but I don't think there's any special flattening going on other than a normal ballistic trajectory.

Every ball bowled by a spinner has some overspin which would make it dip a fraction more (even on the path after the bounce on the way down) than any ball bowled by a pacer right?.

 

[Aidan11]

Well this sucks.