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England players and selection discussion thread

ImpatientLime

ImpatientLime

International Regular
dannythomas said:
Reality is that it’s fairly easy to choose a test squad and even easier to choose a T20 squad. But should a 50 over squad be based on T20 or test credentials ? My feeling is that the England players performing well under Baz Ball ( especially the batters ) should be able to adapt to ODIs fairly easily and as I have said a few times in the World Cup threads big mistake not including Crawley, Duckett, Pope and Salt . Good that they are all in the WI squad .
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I'm not sure picking Crawley and Pope for 50 over cricket because they're middling at best test players is quite the boon you think it is.
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Crawley I think will do well in ODIs. I’m really not sure on Pope. His List A record is not standout but he’s a much better player than when he last played the format regularly.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
GIMH said:
Crawley I think will do well in ODIs. I’m really not sure on Pope. His List A record is not standout but he’s a much better player than when he last played the format regularly.
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Main issue I have with it is that I think he'd have to bat in the top order and you're already pretty stacked for options there.
 
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Ashes81

State Vice-Captain
I'm not so sure that there was as much wrong with our WC squad as people think.

The main problem was our lack of preparation rather than the actual squad. Buttler was probably the biggest disappointment and there isn't one person who wouldn't have picked him.

Going forward I think Crawley, Pope and Duckett need a good run in the side with Brook and the likes of Salt and Jacks.

More of a concern for me is the bowling, particularly the spin options.

Rashid has been very good and will be tough to replace. Obviously Rehan is our big hope and as he also bats, he'd be a big plus for the side if he can continue to improve.

As long as we give ODIs the prominence they deserve, then I see no reason why we can't be in the mix for the WC in 4 years time.
 
Molehill

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
ImpatientLime said:
I'm not sure picking Crawley and Pope for 50 over cricket because they're middling at best test players is quite the boon you think it is.
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Some 'middling at best Test players' have proven to be some of the best ODI players over the years. Bevan, Buttler, Klusener, Maxwell etc etc
 
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Ashes81

State Vice-Captain
ImpatientLime said:
I'm not sure picking Crawley and Pope for 50 over cricket because they're middling at best test players is quite the boon you think it is.
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These 'middling' test players have helped England to a remarkable turnaround in our test fortunes, winning test after test.

And of course we gave the world champions a severe test this summer with only 3 days rain in Manchester stopping us from beating them.
 
Nintendo

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
Ashes81 said:
These 'middling' test players have helped England to a remarkable turnaround in our test fortunes, winning test after test.

And of course we gave the world champions a severe test this summer with only 3 days rain in Manchester stopping us from beating them.
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Weird way to say "we couldn't win a home ashes." 😅

On a more serious note, agree with the sentiment that on paper there wasn't much wrong with this ENG squad on paper. There was problems (death bowling, moeen somehow still getting games, brook/stokes-buttler-livingstone at 4-5-6 not being half the middle order morgan-stokes-buttler was). Buttler, root and bairstow are three of England's best LOI bats, ever. All of them flopping at the same WC is always gonna be hard to overcome with the other issues mentioned above.
 
FBU

FBU

International Debutant
GIMH said:
Crawley I think will do well in ODIs. I’m really not sure on Pope. His List A record is not standout but he’s a much better player than when he last played the format regularly.
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Where would you hide Crawley for his fielding. Will he be another Siraj?
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Am I missing something, I've always found Zak decent in the field. Although he's mainly at slip I guess
 
Molehill

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
FBU said:
Where would you hide Crawley for his fielding. Will he be another Siraj?
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Have you seen the current England team? They're all over 30 and not the most mobile in many cases. Crawley would be an improvement on most of them given he can actually run.
 
FBU

FBU

International Debutant
GIMH said:
Am I missing something, I've always found Zak decent in the field. Although he's mainly at slip I guess
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He was always dropping them at slip until the Ashes. Because he got runs his catching improved.
 
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Ashes81

State Vice-Captain
If you look at the top order of the best ODI teams, it tends to be test players that fill those slots.

Sometimes it may be a middle order batman in test who opens or bats at 3 but its very rarely the specialist ODI players - they tend to bat at 5, 6 and 7.

So in England's brave new ODI world, with the likes of Bairstow, Root and Stokes not being picked, then the test batsmen of Pope, Duckett, Brook and Crawley have to be given their chance ahead of the one day specialists.
 
FBU

FBU

International Debutant
Ashes81 said:
If you look at the top order of the best ODI teams, it tends to be test players that fill those slots.

Sometimes it may be a middle order batman in test who opens or bats at 3 but its very rarely the specialist ODI players - they tend to bat at 5, 6 and 7.

So in England's brave new ODI world, with the likes of Bairstow, Root and Stokes not being picked, then the test batsmen of Pope, Duckett, Brook and Crawley have to be given their chance ahead of the one day specialists.
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Against Ireland Salt (s/r 217.85) and Jacks (s/r 185.71) opened followed by Crawley (121.82) and Duckett (137.17).
Pope will probably be a reserve.
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Ashes81 said:
If you look at the top order of the best ODI teams, it tends to be test players that fill those slots.

Sometimes it may be a middle order batman in test who opens or bats at 3 but its very rarely the specialist ODI players - they tend to bat at 5, 6 and 7.

So in England's brave new ODI world, with the likes of Bairstow, Root and Stokes not being picked, then the test batsmen of Pope, Duckett, Brook and Crawley have to be given their chance ahead of the one day specialists.
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Not often I disagree with you but England's top order in the glory days was 2 or 3 of Roy, Bairstow, Hales. Only Bairstow was any cop in Tests and even then he wasn't always part of the red ball setup over those years.
 
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