2023-24 Australian domestic cricket season

[Shady Slim]

I want to look at an out of the box option. Like one of Cam Green or Mitch Marsh. I think if they are looking at getting both in the team one needs to open because having them at 5 and 6 is too samey.

Head would do a job but I don't want to move him from 5 he's been too effective there

think mmarsh or green could do the job in australia although i'd worry about how they'd go against the swinging ball

then again the same could be said about warner for the past however many years so you might be onto something tbh, i like it

 

[social]

Firstly, the only tall opening batsman that I can recall having success at test level was Hayden so the odds are stacked against Green & Marsh

Secondly, we not only need to replace Warner as an opener but also as a slipper so that limits the field to Bancroft and Renshaw

 

[TheJediBrah]

Shane Watson was a very similar player to Marsh and Green and had great success when moved to opener

@Shady Slim I wouldn't suggest it if we were England playing half (or more than half) our games with the Dukes in English conditions. But it suits Australia well.

A lot of our better Test match opening bats lately have been makeshift middle-order players. Watson, Katich, Warner, Khawaja

 

[Qlder]

A lot of our better Test match opening bats lately have been makeshift middle-order players. Watson, Katich, Warner, Khawaja

In what cricket universe was Warner ever a middle-order player?

 

[GoodAreasShane]

I am really not in agreement with these calls. Firstly Marsh is absolutely nowhere even remotely close to technically tight enough to open on anything other than the roadiest of roads. Green a little bit better equipped in a technical sense, but the important thing about all the guys who have moved up the order to open with at least some success is they have all been older and considerably more experienced than Green is. I am not a believer at all in asking too much of players too young, it's the sort if thing that could absolutely ruin him imo

 

[TheJediBrah]

In what cricket universe was Warner ever a middle-order player?

He always was, until T20 cricket. He first played for NSW in 50 over cricket as a middle order bat, then opened in T20s. He made his T20I debut (and ODI debut) before he'd even played a FC game. When he finally did play FC cricket it was as a no. 6 bat. The move to open only happened because he'd done it in white ball cricket with success

Unlike the others I mentioned he didn't have an extensive FC career as a middle order bat before being given the opening job but up until 2010 at least he was primarily a middle order player (in Grade cricket, for NSW and when he played Australia Under-19s)

 

[Qlder]

He always was, until T20 cricket. He first played for NSW in 50 over cricket as a middle order bat, then opened in T20s. He made his T20I debut (and ODI debut) before he'd even played a FC game. When he finally did play FC cricket it was as a no. 6 bat. The move to open only happened because he'd done it in white ball cricket with success

Unlike the others I mentioned he didn't have an extensive FC career as a middle order bat before being given the opening job but up until 2010 at least he was primarily a middle order player (in Grade cricket, for NSW and when he played Australia Under-19s)

Warner made his T20i, ODI and Test debut as an opener. Regardless of NSW fitting him in at #6 he was never a middle order batsman at high level

 

[Prince EWS]

He always was, until T20 cricket. He first played for NSW in 50 over cricket as a middle order bat, then opened in T20s. He made his T20I debut (and ODI debut) before he'd even played a FC game. When he finally did play FC cricket it was as a no. 6 bat. The move to open only happened because he'd done it in white ball cricket with success

Unlike the others I mentioned he didn't have an extensive FC career as a middle order bat before being given the opening job but up until 2010 at least he was primarily a middle order player (in Grade cricket, for NSW and when he played Australia Under-19s)

Yeah he was always a middle order batsman for Easts too. NSW tried him as opener in limited overs cricket mostly just on a hunch.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Warner made his T20i, ODI and Test debut as an opener. Regardless of NSW fitting him in at #6 he was never a middle order batsman at high level

NSW didn't "fit him in" at no. 6. He was historically a middle order player for almost all his cricket until given a chance to open for NSW in the early T20 comp.

But yes, as I said, he's not quite in the same category as the other guys

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Yeah I didn't really count Warner in the earlier post I made, what Cribb and TJB are saying about his early career is entirely true but imo Warner is his own anomalous case as opposed to an example of something that should be pursued

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah I didn't really count Warner in the earlier post I made, what Cribb and TJB are saying about his early career is entirely true but imo Warner is his own anomalous case as opposed to an example of something that should be pursued

There are dozens of middle order players I would rather see asked to do a makeshift job as opener rather than Harris or Bancroft go around again

 

[Line and Length]

Good win by WA (200 runs) after trailing on the first dig. Great return (11 wickets) by Joel Paris and two good knocks by Cameron Bancroft (57 & 100) to keep him in the selectors' eyes and ahead of Harris. Bancroft also showed his value as a slipper with a blinder. Sorry @TheJediBrah I know that's not what you want to hear.

 

[Spikey]

out of nsw's many sins, dropping chris green for nathan lyon is right up there.

 

[Spikey]

daily reminder that Wade

 

[Kraken]

This will be unpopular, but at this point if Bancroft keeps this form up I think you have to give him the first crack

 

[Qlder]

This will be unpopular, but at this point if Bancroft keeps this form up I think you have to give him the first crack

I'm sticking with make Labuschagne an opener (he started FC career as opener for Qld). Then they can play both Green and Marsh

 

[GoodAreasShane]

I am still where I was coming into the season, backing Renshaw but without any great enthusiasm

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Also, damn good effort from Tasmania in the chase there. Can't say Brad Hope and Jarrod Freeman were exactly the players I would have expected to get the job done, Hope especially, but well done to them

 

[TheJediBrah]

Why is Liam Guthrie still getting games

 

[TheJediBrah]

Meanwhile Sandhu is bowling 135kph off breaks