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Which Asian all time xi is the strongest?

Which nation has the strongest all time test team?


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Adorable Asshole

International Regular
I don't think depth covers up for a truly dependable finisher like Dhoni. Plus Inzi and Yousuf are both accumulators like Abbas and Miandad. The lower middle order seriously lacks firepower compared to Symonds/Hussey or Yuvraj/Dhoni etc. The current team doesn't have any options for those spots either. :(
Razzaq and Afridi
 

Adorable Asshole

International Regular
Yes, let's go with the following lineups for ODIs:

India: Tendulkar, Sehwag/Ganguly, Sharma, Kohli, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Kapil, Harbi/Kumble, Bumrah, Zaheer, Agarkar

Pakistan: Anwar, Afridi, Zaheer, Babar, Miandad, Imran, Razzaq, Moin, Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain

SL: Jayasuria, Dilshan, Sanga, DeSilva, Mathews, Ranatunga, Perera, Vaas, Malinga, Murali, Mendis

You may quibble with the teams but each needs at least six proper bowling options in ODIs ideally.

India and Pakistan would be close but Pakistan win IMO due to superior bowling and more late hitters.
This is better Ind and Pak team

India: Tendulkar, Sharma, Kohli, Ganguly, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Kapil, Kumble, Bumrah, Zaheer, Shami

Pakistan: Anwar, Babar, Zaheer , Miandad, Imran, Razzaq, Moin, Afridi, Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain
 

HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
Wasim, Waqar and Saqlain are also in the top 10 bowlers. In fact Kapil, India's best bowler, is a bit worse than Imran as a bowler.
I already mentioned that in earlier post. On the Kapil Imran part in LOI’s I disagree. I think both are near ATG. I personally think cause literally 2 of India’s top 3 are amongst the top 3 ODI batsmen ever, the gulf between their batting is larger, than the gulf in bowling. However I feel that even if consider it the same, Dhoni’s captaincy will clinch it for India.
 

HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
Wasim, Waqar and Saqlain are also in the top 10 bowlers. In fact Kapil, India's best bowler, is a bit worse than Imran as a bowler.
Also by that logic, Zaheer Abbas, Pak’s best batter is behind Rohit, Ind’s fourth best batter. Tendulkar, Kohli, Dhoni are by most measures in the top 6, not even top 10.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
This is better Ind and Pak team

India: Tendulkar, Sharma, Kohli, Ganguly, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Kapil, Kumble, Bumrah, Zaheer, Shami

Pakistan: Anwar, Babar, Zaheer , Miandad, Imran, Razzaq, Moin, Afridi, Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain
Asshole Bhai, in ODI cricket you need a blaster up at the top which is why I would put Sehwag and Afridi there. Babar is too precious to open. Ganguly needs to be sacrificed, Sharma can move up.

Shami is a good shout over Agarkar.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Also by that logic, Zaheer Abbas, Pak’s best batter is behind Rohit, Ind’s fourth best batter. Tendulkar, Kohli, Dhoni are by most measures in the top 6, not even top 10.
It doesn't work like that. You have to see how their respective batting matches up with the opposite bowling.

It's a stretch to me to think that Tendulkar, etc. are more comfortably situated to score 300 plus regularly against a Pakistan attack of mostly worldclass quality, compared to Pakistan's batting against India.

Pakistan's batting lineup is made of those 80s/90s cricketers who basically majorly overperformed against India for whatever reason relative to the rest of their career, not sure if Tendulkar and Ganguly excelled that way against the 2Ws and Saqlain and the rest of the lineup will be a question mark.

Definitely having Bumrah will boost India. But I think in the end their attack seems more hittable relative to the batting lineup they will face.
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
It doesn't work like that. You have to see how their respective batting matches up with the opposite bowling.

It's a stretch to me to think that Tendulkar, etc. are more comfortably situated to score 300 plus regularly against a Pakistan attack of mostly worldclass quality, compared to Pakistan's batting against India.

Pakistan's batting lineup is made of those 80s/90s cricketers who basically majorly overperformed against India for whatever reason relative to the rest of their career, not sure if Tendulkar and Ganguly excelled that way against the 2Ws and Saqlain and the rest of the lineup will be a question mark.

Definitely having Bumrah will boost India. But I think in the end their attack seems more hittable relative to the batting lineup they will face.
Personally, I see Ind's batting notching a good score against the Pak, just as likely Pak's batting dominating Ind's bowling. Pak's batting is the same quality as Ind's bowling. Ind also has four out and out ATG batsmen, out of which compelling cases can be made for two of them to ranked as the greatest ODI bat(tho I'll chose Viv, might chose Kohli if he dominates the upcoming WC, and maintains an average close to 60 till retirement.)
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Personally, I see Ind's batting notching a good score against the Pak, just as likely Pak's batting dominating Ind's bowling. Pak's batting is the same quality as Ind's bowling. Ind also has four out and out ATG batsmen, out of which compelling cases can be made for two of them to ranked as the greatest ODI bat(tho I'll chose Viv, might chose Kohli if he dominates the upcoming WC, and maintains an average close to 60 till retirement.)
I do think it also matters which era the game takes place. With modern designer pitches and ball changes it does neutralise Waqar a fair bit.

I see Wasim giving Kohli and Sharma major problems in a new ball spell.

I think it also hinges on which Imran we are talking about because he never played like a 26/33 averaging cricketer where he ended up. He was more like a worldclass bowler and Razzaq level bat until his last few years.

Dhoni's captaincy will definitely make a Pakistan chase harder but I also think the Pakistan team had the special ability of defending virtually any score too. So toss plays a big role.
 

HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
Rohit is getting overrated. He's not top 10.
And people compare him to Warner who averages 45 odd as an opener. The initial part of Rohit's career in ODIs was horrible. As an opener, he's the greatest beside Sachin in ODIs pretty easily. And I'm just waiting for one of the geniuses here to era adjust Jayasuriya's average of 30, and say he's better than Rohit.
 

Adorable Asshole

International Regular
No, even Subshakerz some while back, said that Rohit was better than Zaheer, and Dhoni is either regarded as top 5 or top 6 in the best ODI batters list.
And? More often than not the opposite of what Subs says is right.

And Dhoni is not even top 10.

Viv
Kohli
Sachin
AB
Zaheer
Lara
Ponting
Bevan
Chappell
Butler
 

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