Which Asian all time xi is the strongest?

[subshakerz]

Bro, this is where a lot of people have issues with you. From the post I made, it was clear that I meant better bowling alone guarantee victories in an ATG setup against a ATG batting line up. I was talking about situations when pre 2000s Pakistani bowlers lock up horns with All time Indian team. There is no way for any one to know how that would have gone. And you came back and showed their result in 90s which I already knew.

For the last time, this is what I meant. Wasim, Waqar and Saqlain against Dhoni, Rohit or Kohli doesn't guarantee success for bowling team. And that is because Bumrah, Kapil and Zaheer(lesser bowlers than Pakistani counterparts) will be up against lesser batsmen.

Look at your points above and tell me how is any of that reflected in the full statement you gave below which had no mention of batting vs bowling or pre-2000s, and only misleadingly mention cumulative results:

Unlike their respective test teams, Pakistan has nothing up on India in ODIs. In fact, India has been clearly the better ODI team. Win loss ratio for India and Pakistan is 1.24 and 1.20 respectively. Remove minnows, and the gap widens as the ratio changes to 1.03 and 0.93 respectively. Pakistan has the better head to head stat, but the gap would have arguably narrowed had the two nations played each other more frequently in the recent past. Even against strong teams like WI until 1996, Australia or South Africa, India has the better record. More WC wins, more global tournaments wins etc. too. Not to speak of the head to head record in global tournaments. It is really delusional to think that better bowling lineup in paper translates to better performance on field, especially in ODIs.

I don't mind debating whether India's superior batting would conquer Pakistan's superior bowling, but can you at least acknowledge you shifted your argument? It's ok, it happens at times.

 

[trundler]

The gulf in bowling is greater than batting though. India has greater depth in batting but the top 6 isn't that much better than Pakistan's but Pakistan's pace attack is much much better.

Edit: tests, not ODIs.

 

[subshakerz]

The gulf in bowling is greater than batting though. India has greater depth in batting but the top 6 isn't that much better than Pakistan's but Pakistan's pace attack is much much better.

Edit: tests, not ODIs.

In both, actually.

It is far more likely for Anwar, Miandad, etc. to regularly dominate an attack of Zaheer, Kumble, Kapil, etc. than for Tendulkar, Kohli, etc to regularly dominate Imran, Wasim and Waqar.

 

[trundler]

In both, actually.

It is far more likely for Anwar, Miandad, etc. to regularly dominate an attack of Zaheer, Kumble, Kapil, etc. than for Tendulkar, Kohli, etc to regularly dominate Imran, Wasim and Waqar.

Pakistan's middle order is kind of eh in ODIs by all time standards. No Dhoni type. Makes things closer.

 

[subshakerz]

Pakistan's middle order is kind of eh in ODIs by all time standards. No Dhoni type. Makes things closer.

Yeah true. In my XI, I have batting depth with Imran, Razzaq, Moin and Wasim until no.9. Depends on the order.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Edit: tests, not ODIs.

It's the opposite

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

In both, actually.

It is far more likely for Anwar, Miandad, etc. to regularly dominate an attack of Zaheer, Kumble, Kapil, etc. than for Tendulkar, Kohli, etc to regularly dominate Imran, Wasim and Waqar.

The fact is Ind literally have 4 batsmen in their XI, who are mentioned in the top ten ever(2 in the top 3 itself). So I feel the gulf in the batting is more than bowling gulfs(I rate Kapil=Imran ODI bowling wise, even tho Waqar, Wasim, Saqlain are amongst my top 10 ever ODI bowlers). Kapil is near ATG as a ODI bowler, Zaheer and Kumble ATVG, Bumrah has the potential to become a future ATG. So I also feel Ind bowling> Pak batting, but even if for argument’s sake we agree that Ind’s batting superiority is equal to Pak’s bowling superiority, I’d say the team with the better captain will win, and so Ind. Plus Ind has better fielders overall, LOI wise especially.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

The gulf in bowling is greater than batting though. India has greater depth in batting but the top 6 isn't that much better than Pakistan's but Pakistan's pace attack is much much better.

Edit: tests, not ODIs.

It is. Rohit, Kohli, Tendulkar, Dhoni are all in the top 10 ODI batters ever. None of Pak’s batsmen come close to that(except Babar in the future maybe).

 

[trundler]

It is. Rohit, Kohli, Tendulkar, Dhoni are all in the top 10 ODI batters ever. None of Pak’s batsmen come close to that(except Babar in the future maybe).

I did literally specify that my post wasn't about ODIs though

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

I did literally specify that my post wasn't about ODIs though

sorry. missed that part

 

[Adorable Asshole]

It is. Rohit, Kohli, Tendulkar, Dhoni are all in the top 10 ODI batters ever. None of Pak’s batsmen come close to that(except Babar in the future maybe).

I did literally specify that my post wasn't about ODIs though

Lol Zaheer is better than both Rohit and Dhoni.

Meanwhile in tests Gavaskar, Sachin and Dravid are better than any Pak bat.

 

[Slifer]

It was Pakistan till 10 years back. But it is India now with Jadeja, Ashwin and Bumrah in the picture. Indian batting>Pak batting while Pak pace bowling still greater than Indian pacers but India spin bowling all-rounders >> Pak spinners

No. Because for one thing this hypothetical match up won't take place in either of Pakistan or India, to make things fair it'll have to be somewhere neutral. In WI, NZ, Eng and RSA Pakistan would destroy India. India would probably win in Australia but that's about it. Just my 2 cents.

 

[CricAddict]

Subshakerz is father of Indian posters

And pornstar for a few wankers here.

 

[subshakerz]

It is. Rohit, Kohli, Tendulkar, Dhoni are all in the top 10 ODI batters ever. None of Pak’s batsmen come close to that(except Babar in the future maybe).

Wasim, Waqar and Saqlain are also in the top 10 bowlers. In fact Kapil, India's best bowler, is a bit worse than Imran as a bowler.

 

[honestbharani]

Wasim, Waqar and Saqlain are also in the top 10 bowlers. In fact Kapil, India's best bowler, is a bit worse than Imran as a bowler.

Yeah but the inherent nature of LO cricket is that batsmen can bat for an entire inning but bowlers have only 1/5th of that time available.

 

[ankitj]

It's because of your face and your posts

You are overdoing it.

 

[trundler]

Yeah true. In my XI, I have batting depth with Imran, Razzaq, Moin and Wasim until no.9. Depends on the order.

I don't think depth covers up for a truly dependable finisher like Dhoni. Plus Inzi and Yousuf are both accumulators like Abbas and Miandad. The lower middle order seriously lacks firepower compared to Symonds/Hussey or Yuvraj/Dhoni etc. The current team doesn't have any options for those spots either.

 

[honestbharani]

You are overdoing it.

Just like your posts, and your face.

 

[honestbharani]

I don't think depth covers up for a truly dependable finisher like Dhoni. Plus Inzi and Yousuf are both accumulators like Abbas and Miandad. The lower middle order seriously lacks firepower compared to Symonds/Hussey or Yuvraj/Dhoni etc. The current team doesn't have any options for those spots either.

Uncle Ifty to the rescue.

 

[trundler]

Uncle Ifty to the rescue.

Chacha*