Which Asian all time xi is the strongest?

[Coronis]

I just think the Indians have actually won more often in more varied conditions than the Pakistani team.

I also think history has shown that a battery of high quality but not ATG pace bowlers can produce incredible results, which are not that far ATG teams. That;s where the batting difference comes in, and its large.

You do also realise that those Pakistani teams faced much better teams than current India have. Like you know, 80’s Windies and 90’s Australia?


Anyway its still Pakistan, but India has closed the gap a lot in the last decade or so.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Maybe. This is why I think we should stick with longevity and kick Bumrah out of the first XI.

Amir was never as good as Bumrah. Bumrah has a great record across more conditions. Same for Bumrah vs Asif.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Even Bumrah is not that bad in NZ, the only country where he doesn’t have a good record.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Arguably, but disregarding longevity, Asif, Fazal and Shaheen > Kapil, Bumrah and Shami, especially with Asif and Shaheen sharing the new ball.

Shami is clearly better than Shaheen, especially when you see Shami’s great record in SC.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

SL have the best spinners and the best exponent of reverse swing.

Hello @Migara

 

[subshakerz]

Logical question would be, what is the cut off then for longevity? X number of years or X number of tests? I say this because it wouldn't be fair to cricketers pre 70s/80s. None of this really applies to either India or Pakistan given that most of their greats are from modern times just something to ponder.

Modern cricketers from 70s onwards would be 200 wickets.

Before that, number of years, not sure how many but close to eight to ten likely.

 

[subshakerz]

Shami is clearly better than Shaheen, especially when you see Shami’s great record in SC.

Shami I feel has already peaked whereas Shaheen is just peaking as an outright strike bowler, hence it's arguable.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Bumrah is different case and a better bowler than all of Asif, Fazal and Shaheen especially, because in a short span he’s had great series across multiple conditions unlike the above.

 

[subshakerz]

I think India will win in any spinning deck against the other two pretty easily.

I think Pak will have an edge on flat tracks and tracks that may have very little for the bowlers.

SL may actually sneak up on proper greentops that swing a mile IMO. Murali can be a weapon on those tracks in a way neither of the other teams' spinners could be.

Bouncy conditions would be fun coz its a kryptonite for Pak teams and SL teams even with their best fast bowlers. And for India, while relatively less of a struggle, it will still be tough conditions to negotiate.

Greentops? The game would like be over before Murali can be involved. This is what will happen on a greentop.

 

[subshakerz]

Bumrah is different case and a better bowler than all of Asif, Fazal and Shaheen especially, because in a short span he’s had great series across multiple conditions unlike the above.

Overall yes Bumrah is the best but like I said, Asif is probably the best new ball bowler I have seen and Shaheen is also exceptional in that regard so I think on swinging wickets including Fazal they will be deadly.

 

[honestbharani]

Greentops? The game would like be over before Murali can be involved. This is what will happen on a greentop.

Yes.. 1 match is all it takes to decide ATG match ups.

 

[subshakerz]

Yes.. 1 match is all it takes to decide ATG match ups.

Making the point that on greentops your pacers are going to decide the match before Murali is a factor

 

[honestbharani]

Making the point that on greentops your pacers are going to decide the match before Murali is a factor

No, you are making the point that you are a biased idiot who is wrong as usual on a cricketing topic.

 

[h_hurricane]

What is with all this Shaheen love ? The bloke averages over 36 against SENA countries and 37+ without a single 5 wicket haul in SENA countries. Lord Thakur is a more accomplished test bowler overseas.

 

[subshakerz]

What is with all this Shaheen love ? The bloke averages over 36 against SENA countries and 37+ without a single 5 wicket haul in SENA countries. Lord Thakur is a more accomplished test bowler overseas.

It's still early days, the guy is 23 but is slowly coming into his own.

 

[honestbharani]

What is with all this Shaheen love ? The bloke averages over 36 against SENA countries and 37+ without a single 5 wicket haul in SENA countries. Lord Thakur is a more accomplished test bowler overseas.

And a bigger match winner.

 

[honestbharani]

It's still early days, the guy is 23 but is slowly coming into his own.

We all know we should take the age of an Afridi at face value..

Shahid Afridi makes new claim about his age in birthday tweet

According to ICC records, Shahid Afridi's age is 41. In 2019, Afridi revealed in his autobiography that he had been born in 1975 and not 1980 as per the official records, which would make him 46 now.

indianexpress.com

 

[ma1978]

It's still early days, the guy is 23 but is slowly coming into his own.

I quote you earlier, "Asif and Shaheen may be a better new ball pair than Wasim and Waqar."

 

[h_hurricane]

On topic, yes Pakistan ATG team is better on raw quality than Indian ATG team. However, in a 5 match series against another ATG team, I would expect Pakistan ATGs to miss more matches than their Indian counterparts, which might make their overall series performances a bit more comparable.

 

[h_hurricane]

It's still early days, the guy is 23 but is slowly coming into his own.

All the more reason for waiting until he slowly comes into his own.