Which Asian all time xi is the strongest?

[subshakerz]

I'm curious to know what narcotics you are on? Peak Waqar ie b4 his back issues was the most devastating fast bowler of all time period.

Yes he was devastating was he wasn't a great new ball bowler at that point. He would regularly get bashed with the new ball and then clean up shop with the old ball. He only got better with the new ball later in his career once his back gave way and he had to adapt. Knowledgeable Pakistan fans will concede this.

They included Bumrah in their XI because that is THEIR choice and afaic it's not unreasonable given India's relative meager pace choices. You donot get to dictate who and who cannot be in anyone's XI especially since you didn't even start this thread....

I am following the logic of the OP. If Bumrah is in, then we take shorter careers at face value and hence Asif, Fazal and Shaheen are going to be valued higher compared to Kapil and Shami.

We either accept that longevity is the real determinant of value, in which case Bumrah is out of India first XI, or we don't, in which case Pakistan's second XI pace attack will be better than India's first.

 

[trundler]

and the actual track record of the pace bowlers isn't that different

Lol no. Dial it back a bit if you want troll effectively.

 

[Slifer]

Waqar was never a good new ball bowler. That's one of the reasons why he wasn't as devastating overseas as he was at home.

Plus during more of his prime years he bowled first change.

But yeah subs is ******** and biased.

Really? I just assumed that during his pre-injury years he shared the new ball with Wasim. My mistake. Still early pre injury Waqar was better than Asif or Shaheen or whomever.

 

[Slifer]

Yes he was devastating was he wasn't a great new ball bowler at that point. He would regularly get bashed with the new ball and then clean up shop with the old ball. He only got better with the new ball later in his career once his back gave way and he had to adapt. Knowledgeable Pakistan fans will concede this.


I am following the logic of the OP. If Bumrah is in, then we take shorter careers at face value and hence Asif and Shaheen are going to be valued higher.

My apologies.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Shaheen is better than Shami?

 

[subshakerz]

But yeah subs is ******** and biased.

Lol biased against whom? Waqar?

 

[subshakerz]

Shaheen is better than Shami?

Arguably, but disregarding longevity, Asif, Fazal and Shaheen > Kapil, Bumrah and Shami, especially with Asif and Shaheen sharing the new ball.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Really? I just assumed that during his pre-injury years he shared the new ball with Wasim. My mistake. Still early pre injury Waqar was better than Asif or Shaheen or whomever.

Actually i checked. Only till 92 he bowled first change. Then Waqar opened but sometime Aqib Javed would open instead of him.

 

[trundler]

Arguable, but disregarding longevity, Asif, Fazal and Shaheen > Kapil, Bumrah and Shami, especially with Asif and Shaheen sharing the new ball.

Fazal is arguably the best bowler in that grouping but nah. Throw Shoaib in there instead of Shaheen and it's closer though.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Mohammad Amir is probably as good as the Indian pacers if we ignore longevity

 

[subshakerz]

Fazal is arguably the best bowler in that grouping but nah. Throw Shoaib in there instead of Shaheen and it's closer though.

My ideal would be Fazal in the 1st XI and Shoaib, Asif and Shaheen in the second. Regardless, Pakistan have three worldclass pacers and India only have one in Bumrah.

 

[subshakerz]

Mohammad Amir is probably as good as the Indian pacers if we ignore longevity

Maybe. This is why I think we should stick with longevity and kick Bumrah out of the first XI.

 

[Silver Silva]

India would win on a spinning wicket against any team I feel.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Maybe. This is why I think we should stick with longevity and kick Bumrah out of the first XI.

Yeah you’re right.

so it’s Kapil and 2 of Shami/Khan/Srinath vs Imran and the 2Ws

 

[subshakerz]

India would win on a spinning wicket against any team I feel.

Maybe not in SL against SL.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Mohammad Amir is probably as good as the Indian pacers if we ignore longevity

Amir is better than Wasim if we ignore longevity

 

[honestbharani]

I think India will win in any spinning deck against the other two pretty easily.

I think Pak will have an edge on flat tracks and tracks that may have very little for the bowlers.

SL may actually sneak up on proper greentops that swing a mile IMO. Murali can be a weapon on those tracks in a way neither of the other teams' spinners could be.

Bouncy conditions would be fun coz its a kryptonite for Pak teams and SL teams even with their best fast bowlers. And for India, while relatively less of a struggle, it will still be tough conditions to negotiate.

 

[Slifer]

Maybe. This is why I think we should stick with longevity and kick Bumrah out of the first XI.

Logical question would be, what is the cut off then for longevity? X number of years or X number of tests? I say this because it wouldn't be fair to cricketers pre 70s/80s. None of this really applies to either India or Pakistan given that most of their greats are from modern times just something to ponder.

 

[ma1978]

I just think the Indians have actually won more often in more varied conditions than the Pakistani team.

I also think history has shown that a battery of high quality but not ATG pace bowlers can produce incredible results, which are not that far ATG teams. That;s where the batting difference comes in, and its large.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

SL have the best spinners and the best exponent of reverse swing.