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Imran Khan vs Shane Warne (as bowlers)

Who was the better Test bowler

  • Imran

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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
smash84 said:
This is getting ridiculous. IIRC Richie mentioned that the side that he was picking may not necessarily be the best but one that he would like to watch play and that was reflected in his short lists as well. As good as the WI of the 80s were, their bowlers bowling fast and short at the body, over after over could get tiring to watch and this continued for a long time. I'd much rather watch swinging fast and full deliveries than to watch short pitched bowling tucking the batsman up all day. I am sure some would love to watch short and fast bowling all day long. We all have our preference. It's ridiculous to call his omissions as one of malicious intent or casual racism without looking at his whole body of work (which is far from casual racism or malicious intent).
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I don't call it racism. I call it Australian bias tho when Knott doesn't make your keeper shortlist. I could tell when after he picked it he mentioned how dejected he was Miller didn't make the side.
 
shortpitched713

shortpitched713

International Captain
smash84 said:
This is getting ridiculous. IIRC Richie mentioned that the side that he was picking may not necessarily be the best but one that he would like to watch play and that was reflected in his short lists as well. As good as the WI of the 80s were, their bowlers bowling fast and short at the body, over after over could get tiring to watch and this continued for a long time. I'd much rather watch swinging fast and full deliveries than to watch short pitched bowling tucking the batsman up all day. I am sure some would love to watch short and fast bowling all day long. We all have our preference. It's ridiculous to call his omissions as one of malicious intent or casual racism without looking at his whole body of work (which is far from casual racism or malicious intent).
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I'm not saying his whole body of work had anything to do with that. He's a legend, and an impeccable commentator. And I get the style of play may have been repetitive. But omitting West Indian quicks at that point in time in cricket history (before the subsequent decades of modern fast bowlers attempted largely to replicate, and build off of their technique and approach) on principal is incredible. Garner, Marshall, Roberts and others were transforming the game at the very formative times of his commentary career. What "benign" intent are we supposed to take from trying to blot all of them out from his version of cricket history as just a bad memory?
 
trundler

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shortpitched713 said:
I'm not saying his whole body of work had anything to do with that. And I get the style of play may have been repetitive. But omitting West Indian quicks at that point in time in cricket history (before the subsequent decades of modern fast bowlers attempted largely to replicate, and build off of their technique and approach) on principal is incredible. Garner, Marshall, Roberts and others were transforming the game at the very formative times of his commentary career. What "benign" intent are we supposed to take from trying to blot all of them out from his version of cricket history as just a bad memory?
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He just didn't like watching them play.
 
trundler

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shortpitched713 said:
You and I both know that's not really the only thing that goes into making an All-Time XI, which no matter how he tried to couch his omissions, was exactly what he was doing.
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That was the XI he wanted representing him. He also shortlisted Abdul Qadir and Kapil Dev over about 10 better cricketers because he liked leggies and all rounders. He also chose Frank Worrell as the captain. You have to make several extremely uncharitable leaps to arrive at the conclusion which you're insinuating.
 
shortpitched713

shortpitched713

International Captain
trundler said:
That was the XI he wanted representing him. He also shortlisted Abdul Qadir and Kapil Dev over about 10 better cricketers because he liked leggies and all rounders. He also chose Frank Worrell as the captain. You have to make several extremely uncharitable leaps to arrive at the conclusion which you're insinuating.
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He chose Frank Worrell as manager, by the way, not captain. Worrell technically didn't make it into his XI either. Not pointing that out as some sort of gotcha on him, just stating that fact, which has been misconstrued a couple of times already in this conversation.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
subshakerz said:
I don't call it racism. I call it Australian bias tho when Knott doesn't make your keeper shortlist. I could tell when after he picked it he mentioned how dejected he was Miller didn't make the side.
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lol. Keepers are easily the most difficult players to quantify and actually probably the players you’d want to rely on peer ratings and eye test the most.

I’m gonna trust Richie’s judgement there, and I don’t think leaving any one keeper out of a shortlist of 3 is a bad choice. Hell idgaf if you leave Gilchrist out if you’re just choosing a keeper based on their primary skill.
 
smash84

smash84

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Might well be worth listening to his comments closing out. He didn't just select on performance and had other intangibles as well. Tried to be diplomatic as well, calling Botham charismatic.


He has freaking Abdul Qadir in there.
 
Slifer

Slifer

International Captain
smash84 said:
This is getting ridiculous. IIRC Richie mentioned that the side that he was picking may not necessarily be the best but one that he would like to watch play and that was reflected in his short lists as well. As good as the WI of the 80s were, their bowlers bowling fast and short at the body, over after over could get tiring to watch and this continued for a long time. I'd much rather watch swinging fast and full deliveries than to watch short pitched bowling tucking the batsman up all day. I am sure some would love to watch short and fast bowling all day long. We all have our preference. It's ridiculous to call his omissions as one of malicious intent or casual racism without looking at his whole body of work (which is far from casual racism or malicious intent).
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Excuse me but the WI bowlers didn't bowl more short pitched deliveries than Richie's boy DK Lillee. Lillee literally used to bowl 6 bouncers an over and would try to injure batsmen when bouncers were unrestricted. Lindwall and Miller used to do the same thing back in the day. No, Richie was just butt hurt that his precious Australia were on the receiving end for so long. Richie was a hypocrite plain and simple.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
Did Richie actually mention at any time him leaving out the West Indians because of short pitched bowling (ider if he even mentioned why he didn’t choose any of them specifically) or is this some silly agenda people here are trying to push, like that he was secretly a racist? (I haven’t watched the actual DVD in so long I can’t recall)
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Coronis said:
Did Richie actually mention at any time him leaving out the West Indians because of short pitched bowling (ider if he even mentioned why he didn’t choose any of them specifically) or is this some silly agenda people here are trying to push, like that he was secretly a racist? (I haven’t watched the actual DVD in so long I can’t recall)
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I watched the DVD. He specifically said this would be an XI he would want to be in charge of and watch. So he is clear it is subjective.
 
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