BazBall21
International Captain
I know your reasons for Hammond. Why Border?
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Imran Khan vs Shane Warne (as bowlers)
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BazBall21
International Captain
It wasn't asshole that accused Benaud of casual racism. Think it might have been short-pitched.
Adorable Asshole
International Regular
No I didn't.
PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
Starc maybe
kyear2
International Coach
Apologies, replace my reference with Short pitched.
Adorable Asshole
International Regular
Just feels he is overrated here. Batted too down the order. And because he is Burgey's hero.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I really like your slip fielding agenda. I'd incorporate it myself more if there was a more objective way to judge slippers I didn't see from decades ago than mythology and guesses. I just don't know enough about whether Peter May would be a good third slip option for example.But dude, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, they are trying to change mine for some reason.
Dude, I posted a list.
The funny thing is that the only agenda I have here is to get a greater appreciation and consideration for slip fielding., Which isn't catching on btw
But hey if the batmen so their job, the tail becomes less important. If the bowlers do their job, the cordon becomes more important. But that's for another thread.
PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
Anderson, pollock, root for burgey (maybe gavaskar)
PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
Viv for Coronis
kyear2
International Coach
Yes I did, because it was.
But was when asked about my agenda vs Imran.
I think he's the 6 to 8 best bowler ever, for purpose of this let's say 6th, that's where most of the forum does, if not lower. I think he's a top two bowling all rounder, but just because I, as does almost everyone on the forum does, believe that Hadlee was the better bowler, I'm sure even you have said that already.
I voted for him in this very poll and even posted a couple times for.
Where is the bias, what is the agenda.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Hey @Coronis - this is why I get away with the Viv thing more than you do. I have an even sillier one!
After they retire and I start saying more about it I reckon I'll cop it for Smith and Labuschagne too.
kyear2
International Coach
With Hammond (and Weekes, yes Weekes) for example we can only use anecdotal evidence, but there are videos on you tube where you can see some of his catches. For Simpson, Sobers, Lloyd etc, anecdotal evidence as well, but also you can look for vids of the bowlers of their teams and that's where I see a quite a bit of catches as well as commentary, such as that's yet another magnificent catch by A, that's two now for the innings.
More recent guys like Kallis, Ponting, Smith(ish), DeVilliers, Richardson, we would have seen for the most part and there's much more video evidence in these modern times. Also shows how some guys were less stellar than others, Warne, Lara caught their fair share, but weren't elite and dropped some average ones as well.
It's definitely more difficult that bating and bowling stats, but we don't just use those either....
Coronis
International Coach
Ah so I just have to come up with something crazy that people will buy.
Like Hayden > Tendulkar but an original.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Go the other way on Hayden IMO. Samaraweera > Hayden.
Coronis
International Coach
Does Langer > Greenidge count?
Slifer
International Captain
Do us (me) a favor and don't mention him again. Literally, no one is as biased as this dude. He used to argue for Warne being the best bowler ever and used to bring up expert opinion, yet when you did the same with Sobers, he completely disregarded it. He did the same with Lillee vs any other fast bowlers.
smash84
The Tiger King
No not for Sobers, I argued for Marshall against Warne. I remember that. It was hilarious.
Ikki, added some colour to the forum though. Brought alternative viewpoints and made some interesting points. I think he shouldn't have left.
Slifer
International Captain
Well no, he isn't the worst poster I've seen that would be Blocky but Ikki was something else.
I remember the times he'd argue that McGrath was better than Marshall because McGrath played on flatter wickets which is a legit argument. But then in the next breath, he'd rank McGrath below Lillee. One would argue Lillee played mostly in 3 countries and in the same general era as Marshall but then he'd bring in expert opinion or say the wickets Lillee bowled on were flat when lillee played. That made absolutely no sense.