*Official* Yorkshire CCC racism crisis thread

[Burgey]

And you spend most of your time mocking them for living in cities that were built for working people and not somewhere with enough hacky wine bars for your snobbish ****en takes. Give me a break you ****ing hypocrite.

Someone plainly hasn’t looked up the history of Balmain in between bouts of confected ennui.

 

[Ashes81]

I dunno if we have more access at a pathways level, but its probably something more freely enjoyed here among the general public. Mind you, the amount of people I can talk cricket with I can probably count on one hand.

I feel like most of the sport watching public in Australia would be clueless about the private-school boy fetish that is rugby union. League on the other hand, no problems starting a conversation about that.

Obviously I'm not fully up to speed with the Aussie system but I presume that cricket is played in state schools and that if you show the required ability and desire, there is a pathway for you.

In the state school I went to, we played cricket for about 2 weeks a year at most. Our PE teacher knew little about the game, we didn't have a school team and there wasn't any coaching of any sort.

There were local park sides that you could go to but you had to seek those out yourself and have the cash for all the equipment you'd need.

I'm not saying it's impossible to progress but there are obstacles to this at every turn.

Its noticeable that many of the state educated kids who do progress to the test team, come from Lancashire or Yorkshire, where the very strong local leagues fill the gap the ECB should be filling.

In Merseyside, we're I'm from, I'm struggling to think of anyone in recent years, from the area, who went to a state school and made it to the test team.

 

[Burgey]

It's more played on weekends for junior clubs which aren't affiliated with schools of any kind. Though in the public school system there is midweek sport as well. So oyu'll have a local club with teams from under tens upwards. And those clubs will be affiliated with a given District Cricket Association (DCA).

A lot of private schools play their sport on weekends though, so kids who go there are within that system. The various DCAs then pick their junior rep teams and some of the players in those sides graduate into grade cricket once they're 15-16 or so. Often some of the good private school kids start playing for various grade clubs' under 16 competitions which are on a Sunday and the holiday break over summer like the Green Shield, which sees the private school kids then incorporated into the club system. If they're good, the grade clubs will keep an eye on them and look to snap them up once they've finished school.

 

[Yeoman]

Back to the original topic of this thread, the on-field penalties for Yorkshire look set to be relatively limited as the ECB have requested only points deductions this season, when they anyway seem unlikely to be promoted in the championship or reach the T20 knock outs.

 

[Aidan11]

Durham got worse than this for being in debt.

 

[sledger]

Durham got worse than this for being in debt.

Don't mention Durham. He might start posting in here too.

 

[chris.hinton]

A truly damning report but it comes as absolutely no surprise. Cricket like most sports in this country, is rotten to the core with racism, ***ism, elitism to the fore.

@Burgey asked why do people like me, an ordinary working class bloke.who played no cricket at my state school, support England when quite simply the system is structured to keep me out.

It's a fair question, and one I've struggled with at various times. I've talked on here before about being from Merseyside and the hatred I have for the elite in this country. I lived through the 80s decline of Liverpool, through Hillsborough and its horrific aftermath etc.

I don't particularly follow England in other sports. I'm not bothered how England do in football, as long as Liverpool players don't get injured, I don't care.

I'm always happy when England's Rugby team get beat.

I don't really know why I support the national cricket team - probably because so much of the game is based around the national team, unlike football, and as a kid before I was aware of the wider issues, I watched England on the TV and wanted them to win, and I can't really turn that off.

Cricket has an issue with getting into State school. When i went to school we lobbed hard to get it played (PE Teachers preferred softball) and it was played. Get cricket into every school and take it from there. Clubs should also be community outposts do things outside cricket (This happens from time to time).

As a working class lad it was expensive to play cricket, So that also puts people off from playing or taking their skills further. I've played in the team with 10 asians on a number of occasions as well (College Teams). I think a big factor is to get people from Afro-Caribbean backgrounds from playing they did in the 70s, 80s (Perhaps helped by a fine West Indies side, from which they can aspire too) but its very minimal now and it has to be looked at

 

[Burgey]

Cricket has an issue with getting into State school. When i went to school we lobbed hard to get it played (PE Teachers preferred softball) and it was played. Get cricket into every school and take it from there. Clubs should also be community outposts do things outside cricket (This happens from time to time).

As a working class lad it was expensive to play cricket, So that also puts people off from playing or taking their skills further. I've played in the team with 10 asians on a number of occasions as well (College Teams). I think a big factor is to get people from Afro-Caribbean backgrounds from playing they did in the 70s, 80s (Perhaps helped by a fine West Indies side, from which they can aspire too) but its very minimal now and it has to be looked at

Do primary schools not play it in part because of the time it takes and the space needed for it? It’s amazing how you’re conditioned to just think the stuff you have in school is mostly the same everywhere. When I was growing up every primary school had teams

 

[Ashes81]

Do primary schools not play it in part because of the time it takes and the space needed for it? It’s amazing how you’re conditioned to just think the stuff you have in school is mostly the same everywhere. When I was growing up every primary school had teams

Most primary schools in the state sector don’t play cricket to any great extent if at all.

I live very near one of the leading private schools in Liverpool. It's got its own cricket field & pitch, nets, etc and I'm sure there will be coaches there etc. They play against the other private schools in the North West of England.

Meanwhile there are 4 state high schools within about a mile of the school. Not one of them has any cricket facilities, and they certainly won't have any coaches. I very much doubt they'll even have a cricket team.

That's the divide between the state and private sectors.

 

[social]

School cricket is generally a joke in South East Queensland and the game is left up to local clubs

Even GPS schools, which have fabulous facilities , struggle to produce games at a half decent standard

 

[wpdavid]

Most primary schools in the state sector don’t play cricket to any great extent if at all.

I live very near one of the leading private schools in Liverpool. It's got its own cricket field & pitch, nets, etc and I'm sure there will be coaches there etc. They play against the other private schools in the North West of England.

Meanwhile there are 4 state high schools within about a mile of the school. Not one of them has any cricket facilities, and they certainly won't have any coaches. I very much doubt they'll even have a cricket team.

That's the divide between the state and private sectors.

Same where I live, although, around here, there are also a large number of selective schools who take the game seriously. But the divide is massive. If you're not at a private school or selective school, you can forget about playing any cricket there. And it becomes self-perpetuating as the parents who encourage their children to play cricket tend to make as sure as possible that their sons and daughters end up in selective schools or private schools. Meaning that even if the non-selective state schools do try and raise a team, there just isn't the interest. In fact, thinking back to when my son was at primary school that was the case then.

 

[honestbharani]

Didn't a sitting ECB chief once say Cook comes from the right type of family to be a captain or something?

Why didn't they commission the study right then?

 

[Son Of Coco]

Do primary schools not play it in part because of the time it takes and the space needed for it? It’s amazing how you’re conditioned to just think the stuff you have in school is mostly the same everywhere. When I was growing up every primary school had teams

Yeah, we were the same. Both primary school and high school had teams.

 

[duffer]

All primary schools I knew about growing up had a team for each age group while high schools had multiple teams in each age group (at the very least an A Team and B Team)

 

[Prince EWS]

Yeah, we were the same. Both primary school and high school had teams.

Mine did too but they were always pushing **** uphill trying to get people to actually play for them and not just play for their clubs. School cricket definitely wasn't treated very seriously at all in my area even though it existed.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Shameful.

That is all you can say.

 

[social]

Social Jr went to an independent private school until year 10 and it had 2 teams - up to grade 9 and opens

Jr played in the opens and they played on grounds usually reserved for u12s with a coach whose only qualification was a bus driver's licence

That school takes cricket more seriously than most other than GPS

 

[Starfighter]

Here's there's a single junior competition, and grade cricket. Unless you want to count the matting wicket and social comps, that's it.

 

[Shri]

South East Queensland

isn't that just nsw with a bit of edge

 

[Burgey]

isn't that just nsw with a bit of edge

It’s Baulkham Hills by the Sea