*Official* Yorkshire CCC racism crisis thread

[Burgey]

Well I don't think any forum regular would mistake me for an England fan.

Yeah sorry, was a collective "you" rather than a specific one. My bad.

 

[kevinw]

Don't even know why you follow the sport in England tbh. It's like rugby here. Just bin it - no one cares about Rah Rah here. Cricket should be like that there too. But it's a deficiency in English culture that for some reason your toffs are still treated like real people, whereas here they get torn down and ripped to shreds, as it should be.

I look at people on here who are obviously of working class background in the UK, yet they still back this pack of elitist grubs. Why? What's wrong with you all? You've been brainwashed. You should all rebel and start supporting Australia, the home of the fair go and the working class champion.

I could go down the list of AUS players but I looked at where Pat Cummins was schooled - a private school in Sydney.

 

[Burgey]

So what? You don't get a leg up in the cricket system in Aus if you're from a private school. You have to make your way into grade clubs to be picked. The majority of kids who go onto grade clubs do so from local district clubs and there's zero cross over between their schools and cricket.

The junior cricket system in Australia is club based. Between Stan McCabe in the 30s and Matthew Nicholson in 1999, no GPS kid played cricket for Australia. The game draws its junior base from all across society. The contrast between it and the English system (and rugby here for that matter) couldn't be clearer. Wallaby selectors here won't look west of ANZAC Parade for players, let alone scout public schools.

 

[honestbharani]

I assume its a money thing though. Doesn't rugby pay better in Australia?

 

[Burgey]

Not really. I'm sure the top players get really well paid but I'd imagine no better than very good NRL and AFL players maybe not even as much. A marquee NRL player can pull down close to a million a year just in their contract, AFL players probably more. I'd imagine the top cricketers here get paid more than any of them tbh.

 

[honestbharani]

Not really. I'm sure the top players get really well paid but I'd imagine no better than very good NRL and AFL players maybe not even as much. A marquee NRL player can pull down close to a million a year just in their contract, AFL players probably more. I'd imagine the top cricketers here get paid more than any of them tbh.

I am not talking top vs top though. How about the average professional? My feeling is that the discriminatory stuff in sports, irrespective of countries, tend to happen where there is most money to be made.

 

[Spark]

I assume its a money thing though. Doesn't rugby pay better in Australia?

It's less about pay and more about pathways and exposure. It's hard to find a decent junior rugby team to even play with these days that's reasonably resourced and competitive if you aren't a rich private school kid.

By no means is rugby a rich sport in this country - that moniker belongs to AFL, and by a long way. In fact the financially parlous state of rugby in Australia is a big reason why no one is doing anything to change the situation, because those rich private schools are the only source of reliable talent and funding they have left.

 

[Burgey]

I am not talking top vs top though. How about the average professional? My feeling is that the discriminatory stuff in sports, irrespective of countries, tend to happen where there is most money to be made.

Yeah I think @Spark pretty well nailed it. I would think yer average AFL and NRL player probably earns as much as a Super Rugby player, even allowing for there being five rugby teams at that level compared with 17 or 18 clubs in each of the other competitions. Club rugby guys get played very little unless they take the step up to Super rugby level.

It's just a very competitive football market here with four professional codes. AFL is in front nationally, then NRL. These days I would even say the A League has it over Rugby from an interest POV, even though all the good Aus association football players head overseas to make decent coin.

 

[Ashes81]

A truly damning report but it comes as absolutely no surprise. Cricket like most sports in this country, is rotten to the core with racism, ***ism, elitism to the fore.

@Burgey asked why do people like me, an ordinary working class bloke.who played no cricket at my state school, support England when quite simply the system is structured to keep me out.

It's a fair question, and one I've struggled with at various times. I've talked on here before about being from Merseyside and the hatred I have for the elite in this country. I lived through the 80s decline of Liverpool, through Hillsborough and its horrific aftermath etc.

I don't particularly follow England in other sports. I'm not bothered how England do in football, as long as Liverpool players don't get injured, I don't care.

I'm always happy when England's Rugby team get beat.

I don't really know why I support the national cricket team - probably because so much of the game is based around the national team, unlike football, and as a kid before I was aware of the wider issues, I watched England on the TV and wanted them to win, and I can't really turn that off.

 

[Burgey]

I get where you’re coming from. I actively cheer for the All Blacks (not England though) against the Wallabies. Nothing pleases me more than seeing them get absolutely poleaxed by a side which actually resembles something approaching a cross section of the country they represent.

 

[Ashes81]

This report will change little, if anything, because those in power don't want anything to change.

There will be alot of talk, alot of those in power saying this is a wake up call, this can't be allowed to continue etc etc but then it'll fade away in to the background.

If you commission the same report in 10 years time, it will find exactly the same results.

The national side will be still be made up disproportionately of people educated privately.

Ethnic minorities will still be significantly under represented.

There will be still be significantly less opportunities for girls.

But the egg and bacon brigade at the MCC and the ECB won't care because they're the elite and will still benefit from all that brings.

They don't care that kids from state schools, ethnic minorities and girls, don't have the same opportunities as their kids. In fact most of them actively make sure that the status quo is maintained.

 

[honestbharani]

It's less about pay and more about pathways and exposure. It's hard to find a decent junior rugby team to even play with these days that's reasonably resourced and competitive if you aren't a rich private school kid.

By no means is rugby a rich sport in this country - that moniker belongs to AFL, and by a long way. In fact the financially parlous state of rugby in Australia is a big reason why no one is doing anything to change the situation, because those rich private schools are the only source of reliable talent and funding they have left.

Yeah I think @Spark pretty well nailed it. I would think yer average AFL and NRL player probably earns as much as a Super Rugby player, even allowing for there being five rugby teams at that level compared with 17 or 18 clubs in each of the other competitions. Club rugby guys get played very little unless they take the step up to Super rugby level.

It's just a very competitive football market here with four professional codes. AFL is in front nationally, then NRL. These days I would even say the A League has it over Rugby from an interest POV, even though all the good Aus association football players head overseas to make decent coin.

Ah, its a little different then. I tend to think the discrimination is usually more when there is more money to be made and a place that is not all that well paying may not be something such folks would be desperate to control etc. Obviously, this shows that is not always the case.

 

[Howe_zat]

I look at people on here who are obviously of working class background in the UK,

And you spend most of your time mocking them for living in cities that were built for working people and not somewhere with enough hacky wine bars for your snobbish ****en takes. Give me a break you ****ing hypocrite.

 

[Howe_zat]

Like a 95% chance Burgey now responds to being called out by going personal and attacking me for something I do for fun. Can't let an insult to the ego stand unpunished.

 

[Ashes81]

Let's compare Australia and England at cricket. The UK population is roughly 3 times that of Australia.

Yet for the most part, they have a stronger cricket team than us - now why is that?

Is it because their population is just more talented at the game. Or could it be that the vast majority of their population have access to the game whereas here that is only available to a small % of the population.

Answers on a postcard please.

 

[Daemon]

This Ashes just keeps getting spicier

 

[Gnske]

Let's compare Australia and England at cricket. The UK population is roughly 3 times that of Australia.

Yet for the most part, they have a stronger cricket team than us - now why is that?

Is it because their population is just more talented at the game. Or could it be that the vast majority of their population have access to the game whereas here that is only available to a small % of the population.

Answers on a postcard please.

I dunno if we have more access at a pathways level, but its probably something more freely enjoyed here among the general public. Mind you, the amount of people I can talk cricket with I can probably count on one hand.

I feel like most of the sport watching public in Australia would be clueless about the private-school boy fetish that is rugby union. League on the other hand, no problems starting a conversation about that.

 

[Yeoman]

From afar, the impression I had was that the club/grade system in Australia was better integrated into the professional game so that talent flowed upwards more freely.

 

[social]

I could go down the list of AUS players but I looked at where Pat Cummins was schooled - a private school in Sydney.

Nice enough school but no Eton

 

[Yeoman]

As the report lays out, relatively uncontroversially I would say given recent discussion on the subject, the connections between the amateur and professional game in England are relatively slight. The linkages are usually at a junior level and are relatively narrow and can be kinked.