Michael Neser

[TheJediBrah]

I wonder if they teach the 2005 Ashes in England like they teach WW2 in Japan

 

[Molehill]

Do people actually think this in Australia? Wow. What do they think happened? It was a magic batch of balls that swung 3x as much as usual but only for Australia? The bowlers figured out a secret to reverse swing bowling that they then forgot immediately after the series (until they got spotted in SA) and no one has ever rediscovered?

Never seen such levels of denial

Corrected for you....

And a reminder, no one was ever banned for sucking Murray Mints.

Are you this willingly blinkered?

Of course not, just pointing out a little hypocrisy going on here. And as for Tresco's book, I have a feeling that Warner's will be somewhat more revelatory.

 

[Starfighter]

Of course not, just pointing out a little hypocrisy going on here. And as for Tresco's book, I have a feeling that Warner's will be somewhat more revelatory.

Nope, it's not hypocrisy. Using foreign substances on the ball was illegal, and Trescothick admitted to it. Not being banned didn't matter, the team knowingly cheated. You are putting that on the same weight as Stuart Broad making insinuations.

Essentially you're imposing your judgement on the facts of what happened through a jingoistic lens, and it's coming up rather distorted.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Corrected for you....

And a reminder, no one was ever banned for sucking Murray Mints.



Of course not, just pointing out a little hypocrisy going on here. And as for Tresco's book, I have a feeling that Warner's will be somewhat more revelatory.

You don't seem to be aware that the use of sandpaper, as clearly illegal as it was, did **** all for helping the ball swing. Like virtually nothing, and didn't help them win any matches either.

Whereas the Murray Mints were incredibly affective. I begrudge them for comingnup with it tbh, wish we thought of it first

 

[Molehill]

Nope, it's not hypocrisy. Using foreign substances on the ball was illegal, and Trescothick admitted to it. Not being banned didn't matter, the team knowingly cheated. You are putting that on the same weight as Stuart Broad making insinuations.

Essentially you're imposing your judgement on the facts of what happened through a jingoistic lens, and it's coming up rather distorted.

You only found out about the Murray Mints when Tresco decided he needed to sell a book. What are we going to find out when Warner wants to sell his? At some point, I suspect he's going to sell the bowlers down the river.

You're using a jingoistic lens by suggesting only England in 2005 were thinking out of the box in trying to get reverse swing. As @TheJediBrah says, it's annoying for Australia that England found the effective method at that time.

You don't seem to be aware that the use of sandpaper, as clearly illegal as it was, did **** all for helping the ball swing. Like virtually nothing, and didn't help them win any matches either.

Sandpaper may have been totally ineffective in SA, but why on earth did they consider it worth trying in a high profile Test Match unless they had some evidence that it had previously been successful?

As Tresco said, Murray Mints had been successfully 'trialed' in County Cricket....

 

[TheJediBrah]

Sandpaper may have been totally ineffective in SA, but why on earth did they consider it worth trying in a high profile Test Match unless they had some evidence that it had previously been successful?

Very good question. Answer is pretty simple. They're morons

If Tresco hadn't spilled a pocketful of wrappers during a game murray mints might have stayed a secret, or at most been a rumour

 

[Molehill]

Very good question. Answer is pretty simple. They're morons

If Tresco hadn't spilled a pocketful of wrappers during a game murray mints might have stayed a secret, or at most been a rumour

Are they morons or was it a win at all costs situation? Even Warner I struggle to think of as a complete moron these days, and Smith certainly isn't. You could argue he was maybe a weak leader, but I still don't believe it was a spur of the moment strategy.

 

[Qlder]

Poor Neser. Gets his own thread but all discussion is about ball tampering ?

 

[the big bambino]

It’s just fkn bizarre. Two series should be voided on zero evidence but an actual admission by England re 2005 is just covered up and gaslighted away. Incredible.

but look at the new angle here: use sandpaper gate as a diversion. Using sandpaper is altering the condition of the ball. As was applying a foreign substance like Murray mints. If the best you can do is compare illegal methods and somehow justify one while condemning the other then your argument is disturbingly dissonant with reality. Jingoism is the only deficiency in character that could explain it.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Are they morons or was it a win at all costs situation? Even Warner I struggle to think of as a complete moron these days, and Smith certainly isn't. You could argue he was maybe a weak leader, but I still don't believe it was a spur of the moment strategy.

Smith is heavily on the spectrum (IMO) and most likely knew nothing about it anyway. You might also be unaware of everything that was going on with Warner at the time, abuse of his wife etc and he's not a smart guy st the best of times. Educate yourself a bit you might have a more informed opinion.

Ftr I'm not calling you uneducated, just not entirely aware of the facts in this case

 

[TheJediBrah]

It’s just fkn bizarre. Two series should be voided on zero evidence but an actual admission by England re 2005 is just covered up and gaslighted away. Incredible.

Pretty sure the whole "void" series thing is a joke lol

 

[Molehill]

Smith is heavily on the spectrum (IMO) and most likely knew nothing about it anyway. You might also be unaware of everything that was going on with Warner at the time, abuse of his wife etc and he's not a smart guy st the best of times. Educate yourself a bit you might have a more informed opinion.

I know about all of that but still don't think it totally adds up. It almost seems like a convenient excuse to bat away the Stuart Broad line.

Pretty sure the whole "void" series thing is a joke lol

And yeah, obviously the whole voiding thing is a joke. It was again started by Broad, he's just so damn good at winding certain types up.

 

[the big bambino]

Pretty sure the whole "void" series thing is a joke lol

That’s what I thought initially but then he became quite serious about the 05 series with justifications and diversions.

So I’m not so sure. He did go onto attempt a connection with sandpaper gate and Australian bowlers achieving swing in the ashes prior; which his post at #45 suggests. Besides others on here think much the same. Could be a conspiracy theory held by their fans.

But now since he’s been unfrocked he just gaslights “oh yeah I was only joking … lulz".

Bull ****: He meant it.

 

[Molehill]

That’s what I thought initially but then he became quite serious about the 05 series with justifications and diversions.

So I’m not so sure. He did go onto attempt a connection with sandpaper gate and Australian bowlers achieving swing in the ashes prior; which his post at #45 suggests. Besides others on here think much the same. Could be a conspiracy theory held by their fans.

But now since he’s been unfrocked he just gaslights “oh yeah I was only joking … lulz".

Bull ****: He meant it.

I literally kicked it off with the Stuart Broad line. No one is trying to void a series, but it was amusing to see how bitter some clearly still are about 2005. If you're unaware of Broad's comment regarding Sandpaper then as @TheJediBrah says, 'educate yourself'.

Your moniker seems to be very appropriate.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

I know about all of that but still don't think it totally adds up. It almost seems like a convenient excuse to bat away the Stuart Broad line.



And yeah, obviously the whole voiding thing is a joke. It was again started by Broad, he's just so damn good at winding certain types up.

So one minute what Stuart Broad is saying is gospel truth, the next he's having a wind up? What a load of blatantly hypocritical drivel

Can't have it both ways

 

[TheJediBrah]

It was definitely a wind-up from Broad. There's no way he's that oblivious to make a serious comment like that, publicly

If Jimmy Anderson said it however, I wouldn't be surprised if he meant it. Never seen a more hypocritical cricketer with less self-awareness. Remember in 2013 when he was sledging constantly then whinged to the umps when he got some back lol

 

[GoodAreasShane]

It was definitely a wind-up from Broad. There's no way he's that oblivious to make a serious comment like that, publicly

If Jimmy Anderson said it however, I wouldn't be surprised if he meant it. Never seen a more hypocritical cricketer with less self-awareness. Remember in 2013 when he was sledging constantly then whinged to the umps when he got some back lol

Yeah I agree, Stuart Broad just likes to run his mouth from time to time. He certainly isn't the only cricketer to do so

But for molehill to try and claim Broad's comments about 2017/18 carry any more weight than any of his other usual ramblings is just delusional. Just clutching at straws trying to find anything to cling on to becauae he can't accept his beloved England were just crap for most of that series

 

[Starfighter]

he can't accept his beloved England were just crap for most of that series

Broad's own performance was particularly disappointing. His bowling at Perth was some of the worst I've seen in a test match.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Broad's own performance was particularly disappointing. His bowling at Perth was some of the worst I've seen in a test match.

Yeah, I remember that well. A truly insipid performance

 

[TheJediBrah]

Broad and Anderson are both pretty soft. Front runners. Never would have made it as Australian cricketers. Though Anderson has gotten better in recent years.