Great lower order batting teams in history?

[Sunil1z]

Please don’t discuss WC in this thread ??

 

[Migara]

That SL side lost to Pak in 96 itself in a big final chasing 150 odd. And I think SA schooled them in a quadrangular in 97 at Sharjah where they lost chasing in the dew. I think you are overrating how good some of the other WC winning sides were.

So you are comparing India's military medium pacers to Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain, Razzaq combo or Donald, Pollock, MacMillan and early Klusener combo?

My, my, it is not even comparable. 83 bowlers on those wickets against 96 SL team will disappear.

 

[honestbharani]

So you are comparing India's military medium pacers to Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain, Razzaq combo or Donald, Pollock, MacMillan and early Klusener combo?

My, my, it is not even comparable. 83 bowlers on those wickets against 96 SL team will disappear.

Given u r comparing ATG Windies batting side to those SL Pak and SA teams, i would say yes they wud have.

 

[h_hurricane]

Dibbly dobblies are good against your usual ODI batsmen. As far as I know only 87 Aus and 92 Pakistan had those types of batsmen. 75/79 West Indies mauled such bowlers. You don't want to put such bowlers against Jayasuriya, Sehwag and Gilchrist. Then last time it was England, they eat dibbly dobblies for breakfast. And when you consider 87 Aus and 92 Pakistan are way more superior fire power with the ball. So no, I woudn't bet them to win a best of 3 series against WC winning team.

You got this name right finally !

 

[Prince EWS]

You got this name right finally !

Typo.

 

[honestbharani]

Say his name!!!

 

[Prince EWS]

Say his name!!!

Michael Bracewell.

 

[ataraxia]

pre-WWI South Africa's #11 would often be stronger than a specialist bat they played.

this is still the answer IMO. It's a maniacal side that would always have a few hypershit specialist bats (William Shalders and Maitland Hathorn each player 12 tests, for respective averages of 16 and 17) due to an immense proliferation of ARs. Yet somehow it was a team which did win tests. Shows the poor quality of cricket in that era tbh, as much as I loathe to say that.

 

[peterhrt]

this is still the answer IMO. It's a maniacal side that would always have a few hyper**** specialist bats (William Shalders and Maitland Hathorn each player 12 tests, for respective averages of 16 and 17) due to an immense proliferation of ARs. Yet somehow it was a team which did win tests. Shows the poor quality of cricket in that era tbh, as much as I loathe to say that.

On their own matting pitches, with exaggerated quick spin and bounce, the South Africans were competitive, especially against below-strength English touring sides. Their bowlers also enjoyed the benefit of two wet English summers.

On truer Australian surfaces, the batsmen scored more runs but their bowlers, Schwarz aside, were largely neutralised. When the English selectors finally picked Barnes against them, they suffered heavy defeats.

 

[Brook's side]

Actually didn't score many runs

But

7. McMillan
8. Pollock
9. Richardson
10. Klusener

is pretty decent on paper

Full Scorecard of South Africa vs India 1st Test 1996/97 - Score Report | ESPNcricinfo.com

 

[Burgey]

Looking at some old scorecards and bumped this thread to post this dire lower order from Aus v WI 1984-85 at Adelaide:

8. Lawson
9. Holland
10. Hogg
11. Alderman

Horrendous.

 

[Qlder]

Looking at some old scorecards and bumped this thread to post this dire lower order from Aus v WI 1984-85 at Adelaide:

8. Lawson
9. Holland
10. Hogg
11. Alderman

Horrendous.

Not as bad as 1978/79 Ashes 4th Test. Border left stranded not out in both innings while the 5 combined for 34 runs in 1st innings and only 3 runs in the 2nd (4 ducks)

7. Maclean +
8. Hogg
9. Dymock
10. Higgs
11. Hurst

AUS vs ENG Cricket Scorecard, 4th Test at Sydney, January 06 - 11, 1979

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[Jumno]

Boucher, Pollock, Klusener in odis ( order 7,8,9)

Australia cricket team in recent times, starc, Johnson

Starc, cummins etc

 

[Coronis]

Australian lower order in the early-mid 50’s was pretty good

Benaud
Lindwall
Archer
Davidson

All bar Davidson with a test ton to their names.

The keeper at that point (Langley) was by far the weak link

 

[shortpitched713]

Not as bad as 1978/79 Ashes 4th Test. Border left stranded not out in both innings while the 5 combined for 34 runs in 1st innings and only 3 runs in the 2nd (4 ducks)

7. Maclean +
8. Hogg
9. Dymock
10. Higgs
11. Hurst

AUS vs ENG Cricket Scorecard, 4th Test at Sydney, January 06 - 11, 1979

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Guys, it only matters if they can bowl. Tailend batting has never won a single cricket match.

Source: It was revealed to me in a dream.

 

[Isura]

Though it was a single occasion, the Australian tail in the 2nd innings here is easily the best in history.

The legendary role reversal match.

AUS vs ENG Cricket Scorecard, 3rd Test at Melbourne, January 01 - 07, 1937

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On the other hand, have a look at the opening batsmen in that innings. Easily the worst in history.

What's up with declaring 76/9? Were they afraid the bowlers would die of a bouncer in bad light? I guess it was uncovered pitches and the sun came up when Australia started to bat.

 

[AndrewB]

What's up with declaring 76/9? Were they afraid the bowlers would die of a bouncer in bad light? I guess it was uncovered pitches and the sun came up when Australia started to bat.

It was a sticky wicket (note that Australia also declared their first innings), England declared too late and only got one Australian wicket before rain ended play for the day. The next day was the rest day, and the pitch had dried out by the day after.

 

[Burgey]

Not as bad as 1978/79 Ashes 4th Test. Border left stranded not out in both innings while the 5 combined for 34 runs in 1st innings and only 3 runs in the 2nd (4 ducks)

7. Maclean +
8. Hogg
9. Dymock
10. Higgs
11. Hurst

AUS vs ENG Cricket Scorecard, 4th Test at Sydney, January 06 - 11, 1979

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Man, Hogg at eight is not so much nosebleed territory as pulmonary oedema while pushing for the summit.

 

[Prince EWS]

South Africa had amazing batting depth around the time they were banned for apartheid with Trevor Goddard, Denis Lindsay and Mike Proctor at 7, 8, 9.

SA vs AUS, Australia tour of South Africa 1969/70, 3rd Test at Johannesburg, February 19 - 24, 1970 - Full Scorecard

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Goddard opening first innings but batting 9 second, lol. Doesn't seem like he was injured either because he bowled heaps of overs after batting 9.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Goddard opening first innings but batting 9 second, lol. Doesn't seem like he was injured either because he bowled heaps of overs after batting 9.

Maybe they looking to score quicker in the 2nd dig