Great lower order batting teams in history?

[TheJediBrah]

Pity Hoggy didn't play more Tests as he averaged 35 in FC cricket

Might be a bit misleading. He was still a decent lower-order bat around 2003 when he came into the ODI side but gradually got less useful. Was a genuine bunny when he was an old bloke playing T20s

I'd wager that first-class average of 35 is mostly thanks to his early years where he played for WA as more of a middle-order batsman who bowled a bit, but not that much on the pace-friendly WACA. I'm actually surprised he averaged as high as 26 in Tests, shows he was still very handy with the bat as late as 2007/08

 

[Qlder]

Hogg had a strange Test career with his 7 Tests spread over 12 years. One test in 1996, 3 in 2003 and then final 3 in 2007/8 where he joined Lee, Johnson and Clark in the tail I mentioned. He averaged 49.33 batting #8 in that tail in 2007/8, so lived up to his FC average

 

[TheJediBrah]

They were some very flat pitches he played on, both in the 2003 Tests in the WI (while Warne was banned) and the 07/08 India series. Probably why both his batting and bowling averages are higher than you'd expect.

 

[mr_mister]

Steve O'Keeffe has a similar question over his batting to Hogg imo.

Averaged 25 w/bat in FC and I think he was good enough to bat 7 at one stage


Absolute nailed on 11 the last however many big bash seasons though, as well as batting pretty low in tests iirc

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah SOK opened the batting for the Sixers in some of the earlier BBLs

 

[Qlder]

They were some very flat pitches he played on, both in the 2003 Tests in the WI (while Warne was banned) and the 07/08 India series. Probably why both his batting and bowling averages are higher than you'd expect.

Well his two tests vs West Indies had not much to do with his overall batting average. He batted #7 and made 3 in his 1st Test and then made 17* batting #6 in his 2nd test, so 20 runs @ 20.00

 

[TheJediBrah]

Well his two tests vs West Indies had not much to do with his overall batting average. He batted #7 and made 3 in his 1st Test and then made 17* batting #6 in his 2nd test, so 20 runs @ 20.00

More so affected his bowling average, clearly. Ended up with with a Test average of 55

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Hogg started his cricket career as a middle order batsman and then concentrated on his bowling at a point in time throughout his career.

But he always remained a handy batsman even when he batted down the order.

I wouldn't take too much notice of his T20 career with the bat, best looking at his batting stats in First-Class and 50 overs matches.

He still holds the record for the highest First Grade score in WA Premier cricket/Club Cricket/District where he scored 285.

I was lucky enough to have him in First Grade in a few matches when I umpired in WA Premier cricket.

Hogg breaks Perth first grade batting record

Perth 1st grade side Bayswater Morley was spanked out of contention for this season's first grade final single-handedly on the weekend by Western Warrior discard Brad Hogg who belted a record-breaking 285 runs

www.espncricinfo.com

 

[Migara]

Hogg was good. He needed a lot of exposure on spinning wickets.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Hogg was good. He needed a lot of exposure on spinning wickets.

Bowling on the WACA....not really good for spin apart from the bounce. The SCG would of been better.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

If you combine Hogg's runs and wickets in all formats, that is: First Class cricket (which includes Test), One Day cricket (including ODI's) and T20 (including T20I's):

Batting
6,949 runs @ 29.44

Bowling
578 wickets @ 31.16

Pretty good career considering he played in a very strong era of Australian cricket and in regards to his bowling: he played in an era of Australian cricket where there was depth for wrist spinners. We had Shane Warne the freak, then we had MacGill who lived in Warne's shadow and then we also had Peter McIntyre as well. How lucky was Australian cricket to have 4 wrist spinners and one of them was an absolute freak of a bowler (Warne).

 

[Ali TT]

On paper, the Australian tail in the 2010 series in England v Pakistan, as it had a certain Steven Smith coming in at 8 and 9... (although Doug the Rug was #11, which kinda offsets)