• Welcome to the Cricket Web forums, one of the biggest forums in the world dedicated to cricket.

    You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Cricket Web community today!

    If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

*Official* Australia vs South Africa -2022/3

GoodAreasShane

Cricketer Of The Year
If our second spinner is agar and we're not 100% on him being better than a hazlewood in india are we better off just saying **** it and picking 3 seamers+lyon+green? If the deck is ragging square than head-marnus-smith should be fine as a second spinner, otherwise I don't see an aga/murphy outdoing our 3rd pace option (whether it be boland or haze or morris or whoever).
Barring a raging turner like Pune was last tour, there is a strong argument for this imo

As an aside, I tend to believe Morris may be better served by going back to play for WA in the Shield, not sure he's quite a viable option to actually play in such entirely unfamiliar conditions yet so is probably better served by playing as opposed to going to the subcontinent as a net bowler/gatorade mixer
 

halba

International 12th Man
Barring a raging turner like Pune was last tour, there is a strong argument for this imo

As an aside, I tend to believe Morris may be better served by going back to play for WA in the Shield, not sure he's quite a viable option to actually play in such entirely unfamiliar conditions yet so is probably better served by playing as opposed to going to the subcontinent as a net bowler/gatorade mixer
yep if morris is not playing he should play shield cricket and continue his development. at age 24, he's next in line once the likes of haze/boland retire. boland is 33 and haze is 32. they only have a few more years of cricket left based on historical retirements of aus' pace bowlers(mcgrath retired at 36 ish)
 

morgieb

Request Your Custom Title Now!
If our second spinner is agar and we're not 100% on him being better than a hazlewood in india are we better off just saying **** it and picking 3 seamers+lyon+green? If the deck is ragging square than head-marnus-smith should be fine as a second spinner, otherwise I don't see an aga/murphy outdoing our 3rd pace option (whether it be boland or haze or morris or whoever).
I think this was originally our plan at Rawalpindi, but the attack proved toothless. Not sure whether it would've worked on a less flat surface, though.
 

GoodAreasShane

Cricketer Of The Year
I am not saying that what you propose is not the more ideal circumstance, it is exactly what I was advocating 4 years ago while players I mentioned were still around... unfortunately that time has passed, and that method iof doing things is no really available and for me keeping players on that are more of a detriment to the future, just makes it worse. So this is what I`m advocating in this less than ideal situation.
I simply cannot agree in the slightest. Nothing could possibly be more detrimental to South African cricket than burning through potentially promising players by basically throwing them to the wolves under the guise of "looking to the future" or somesuch

This entire debate really is going in circles, not getting anywhere at all. Just like what would happen to South Africa if they went full youth über alles like you keep proposing
 

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I simply cannot agree in the slightest. Nothing could possibly be more detrimental to South African cricket than burning through potentially promising players by basically throwing them to the wolves under the guise of "looking to the future" or somesuch

This entire debate really is going in circles, not getting anywhere at all. Just like what would happen to South Africa if they went full youth über alles like you keep proposing
The entire debate at this stage is that having Elgar in the team makes it easier for the needed selection for the other 4 less experienced players that everybody agrees on... I no longer think Elgar is required.
 

GoodAreasShane

Cricketer Of The Year
The entire debate at this stage is that having Elgar in the team makes it easier for the needed selection for the other 4 less experienced players that everybody agrees on... I no longer think Elgar is required.
I know exactly what you think, I think you are absolutely and comprehensively wrong.

Like I said, going in circles
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
What do you think the current teams entire selection policy is based on?
Yeah, it's based on something no-one in this thread supports.

We can all hang **** of the SA selectors quite easily. I haven't seen anyone here defend those *****. I don't think anyone here even supports Elgar having a say or being in a leadership role. That much is a agreed - they suck. No-one here agrees with them.

You taking it and running to justify Gregchappellism is a whole other thing though.
 

Shady Slim

International Coach
If our second spinner is agar and we're not 100% on him being better than a hazlewood in india are we better off just saying **** it and picking 3 seamers+lyon+green? If the deck is ragging square than head-marnus-smith should be fine as a second spinner, otherwise I don't see an aga/murphy outdoing our 3rd pace option (whether it be boland or haze or morris or whoever).
another convert to Shady Slim Thought, very nice you are welcome among us nintendo
 

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
You taking it and running to justify Gregchappellism is a whole other thing though.
But I have not done that, mostly I have wanted to select exactly the players that everybody else, that knows SA cricket, agrees needs to be selected. Younger (not young) talented players scoring runs. The only big advocate I have of any player is really van Tonder, who while not doing badly has not done great recently. I have had justifiable concerns regarding Elgar that has been proved true this tour.

Elgar, J Malan, Markram, van Tonder, M. Ackerman, de Zorzi, Rickelton, Verryenne, Mulder, Jansen, Rabada, Maharaj/Harmer, Nortje, Coetzee, Ngidi

That was literally the squad I wanted to see before this tour. Nothing controversial nothing extreme. And if Bavuma had been selected and not van Tonder, it would have been fine. Only difference now is Elgar.
 

Shady Slim

International Coach
Alas I just don't think Haze is trusted any more on slow pitches, and I don't think it's unfair to come to that conclusion either
i'm not even against picking a second spinner, if they are good, it's just that agar is not that
 

Spikey

Request Your Custom Title Now!
Had to do a double take when I saw Haze has only played 59 Tests. Feel like he's been around forever.
might be because he was hyped up before Cummins and Starc and Pattinson but debuted after all of them, then injures, not being selected etc etc
 

morgieb

Request Your Custom Title Now!
Alas I just don't think Haze is trusted any more on slow pitches, and I don't think it's unfair to come to that conclusion either
Has looked genuinely damaging here. Admittedly has been often innocuous in the subcontinent though.
 

Top