The Mankad

[Burgey]

leading administrator Todd Greenberg

Nearly fell off my chair laughing at this.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Family want Mankad name to apply to bowler non-striker run outs.
Ben Horne and Joe Barton.
News Corporation Australia.
Friday, 6 January 2023.
PTG 4096-20077.

The family of former Indian player Vinoo Mankad has pleaded with the cricket world not to speak for them by cancelling a term they proudly claim. ‘Mankad' or ‘Mankading' has been part of the cricket vernacular ever since the Indian all-rounder famously ran out Australian Bill Brown at the non-striker’s end in Sydney more than 75 years ago. Despite the dismissal always being completely within the laws of the game, a stigma has always existed over whether it is against the spirit of cricket and therefore the term Mankading polarises players and fans, right up to the latest such incident: Adam Zampa’s attempted run-out in the Big Bash League earlier this week (PTG 4092-20060, 4 January 2023).

As a result, leading administrators Todd Greenberg from the Australian Cricketers Association and Lee Germon from Cricket NSW have attempted to start a push to detach the deed from the name out of respect to the Mankad family (PTG 4094-20071, 5 January 2023). But in a stunning twist, it can be revealed the family in fact want the name to stay and are proud of having it up in lights.

Harsh Mankad, a grandson of the late player said “Personally, I’m always delighted to see my grandfather being remembered. I feel it to be a great honour for our name to be associated with a cricketing term. I’d love to see the ‘Mankad' or ‘Mankading' stay and keep alive his memories and legacy as a great competitor and sportsman deeply respected and admired by everyone I’ve met and those who knew him and experienced life with him!”.

Mankad’s two sons, including former Indian Test player Ashok, are dead, but grandson Harsh is a professional tennis coach in Minneapolis in the United States, having previously been ranked as India’s number one tennis player for many years in the early to mid-2000s.

On Friday Greenberg joined a chorus of administrators and commentators calling for the name to change out of respect to the Mankad family (PTG 4094-20070, 5 January 2023). “I’ve been a bit frustrated over the last 24-48 hours talking about it like it’s a debate. I don’t think it’s a debate. I think I’s very black and white. It shouldn’t be the word Mankad”, said Greenberg on Melbourne radio. “The players have a role in eradicating that term. It’s a run out at the non-striker’s end. We have a huge opportunity and responsibility as the elite players to make sure we change that. Language is important. Tone is important. And an understanding that when you break rules there are consequences”.

Indian cricket journalist Bharat Sundaresan said he can understand why Mankad’s grandson wants the term to remain. “”Doing a Mankad means playing by the rules”, Sundaresan said. “I think it’s a positive. I really think it’s a positive. I’m not surprised the family now wants that name to remain. Now he comes across as a hero. He did it before anyone else”.

They're right.

 

[trundler]

It's like the Dilscoop or Bosie. There's a stigma only if you attach one to the term.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Very mad that this smart and clever play is named after me

 

[honestbharani]

The issue is not the name itself, it's the fact that if you go on cricket twitter, you can clearly see why it's considered a very SC thing to do. Just read any of the comments and the BS that Deepti had to put up with. Heck, Starc was the biggest idiot in the entire saga, saying he is "not Deepti" as if it is some shame to be her. The ****ing coward can just **** off given his wife's history of tweets about India and larger SC cricket.

The problem with the word "Mankad" for what is just a run-out is that it adds a stigma to it. One may have their own opinions on if it is a positive or a negative stigma, but the point is, the dismissal itself is basic and fair and does not deserve to have any sort of stigma attached to it. Just see how so many of the Aus-Eng-NZ cricket fraternity jump up and down and start whitesplaining the "spirit of cricket" every time this happens and how much **** they give the players, and heck, even their families on social media. Like it or not, using the word gives it a racist twinge even if it is not intended by the person saying it.

It's a run out. Simple as.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

I assume your main complaint here is people on Twitter, since you were using Mankad quite liberally before. I don't really agree about the stigma thing, I think creating a positive stigma around Mankad is a much better way to go about things. Sometimes trying to "neutralise" language has the opposite effect because you're effectively making Mankad into a slur, which racists love to use.

 

[the big bambino]

Love seeing Hb victimsplain how a term he's mentioned becomes racist when someone else uses it in exactly the same context.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

I dunno, I feel like if a large number of Indians aren't happy with it then it's an issue cricket could deal with, but I don't really get that feeling (I don't live in India either obviously). The wishes of Mankad's family posted above should hold be considered too.

 

[Shady Slim]

I assume your main complaint here is people on Twitter, since you were using Mankad quite liberally before. I don't really agree about the stigma thing, I think creating a positive stigma around Mankad is a much better way to go about things. Sometimes trying to "neutralise" language has the opposite effect because you're effectively making Mankad into a slur, which racists love to use.

i'm minded to agree here, and expect that the problem isn't with the word itself, rather that every chud gwailou cricket fan who hates india gets off to pretending they're poor sports because ashwin is man enough to do the act

only way to dodge that would be to destigmatize the act itself

 

[Daemon]

People will get round to it eventually and the stigma will disappear. **** just takes time, lots of stubborn and low iq people exist - see David Hussey.

I don’t think renaming it will help achieve this any quicker.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

NZ should've Mankaded last night

 

[Burgey]

The issue is not the name itself, it's the fact that if you go on cricket twitter, you can clearly see why it's considered a very SC thing to do. Just read any of the comments and the BS that Deepti had to put up with. Heck, Starc was the biggest idiot in the entire saga, saying he is "not Deepti" as if it is some shame to be her. The ****ing coward can just **** off given his wife's history of tweets about India and larger SC cricket.

The problem with the word "Mankad" for what is just a run-out is that it adds a stigma to it. One may have their own opinions on if it is a positive or a negative stigma, but the point is, the dismissal itself is basic and fair and does not deserve to have any sort of stigma attached to it. Just see how so many of the Aus-Eng-NZ cricket fraternity jump up and down and start whitesplaining the "spirit of cricket" every time this happens and how much **** they give the players, and heck, even their families on social media. Like it or not, using the word gives it a racist twinge even if it is not intended by the person saying it.

It's a run out. Simple as.

I’ve seen tissue paper thicker than your skin over this.

it’s a Mankad. Own it. Imagine being brain dead enough to think if they called it a Zampa it would suddenly never be called into question.

if a captain engages in match fixing then dies in a plane crash, it’s a Hansie. If you cry at a press conference after ball tampering it’s a TPC. If you refuse to move from number four even when your team needs you to owing to injuries while on tour it’s a Tendulkar. If you’re appointed captain after being caught ball tampering it’s a Dravid. If you rub dirt on the ball it’s an Atherton. And if you invent racist undertones to things when there’s none because you have nothing substantive to add while at the same time repetitively calling Pakistani cricketers “uncles” it’s a HB. Love me a hindu nationalist calling everyone else racist. Few things better.

 

[Daemon]

what's wrong with the uncle thing lol

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Family want Mankad name to apply to bowler non-striker run outs.
Ben Horne and Joe Barton.
News Corporation Australia.
Friday, 6 January 2023.
PTG 4096-20077.

The family of former Indian player Vinoo Mankad has pleaded with the cricket world not to speak for them by cancelling a term they proudly claim. ‘Mankad' or ‘Mankading' has been part of the cricket vernacular ever since the Indian all-rounder famously ran out Australian Bill Brown at the non-striker’s end in Sydney more than 75 years ago. Despite the dismissal always being completely within the laws of the game, a stigma has always existed over whether it is against the spirit of cricket and therefore the term Mankading polarises players and fans, right up to the latest such incident: Adam Zampa’s attempted run-out in the Big Bash League earlier this week (PTG 4092-20060, 4 January 2023).

As a result, leading administrators Todd Greenberg from the Australian Cricketers Association and Lee Germon from Cricket NSW have attempted to start a push to detach the deed from the name out of respect to the Mankad family (PTG 4094-20071, 5 January 2023). But in a stunning twist, it can be revealed the family in fact want the name to stay and are proud of having it up in lights.

Harsh Mankad, a grandson of the late player said “Personally, I’m always delighted to see my grandfather being remembered. I feel it to be a great honour for our name to be associated with a cricketing term. I’d love to see the ‘Mankad' or ‘Mankading' stay and keep alive his memories and legacy as a great competitor and sportsman deeply respected and admired by everyone I’ve met and those who knew him and experienced life with him!”.

Mankad’s two sons, including former Indian Test player Ashok, are dead, but grandson Harsh is a professional tennis coach in Minneapolis in the United States, having previously been ranked as India’s number one tennis player for many years in the early to mid-2000s.

On Friday Greenberg joined a chorus of administrators and commentators calling for the name to change out of respect to the Mankad family (PTG 4094-20070, 5 January 2023). “I’ve been a bit frustrated over the last 24-48 hours talking about it like it’s a debate. I don’t think it’s a debate. I think I’s very black and white. It shouldn’t be the word Mankad”, said Greenberg on Melbourne radio. “The players have a role in eradicating that term. It’s a run out at the non-striker’s end. We have a huge opportunity and responsibility as the elite players to make sure we change that. Language is important. Tone is important. And an understanding that when you break rules there are consequences”.

Indian cricket journalist Bharat Sundaresan said he can understand why Mankad’s grandson wants the term to remain. “”Doing a Mankad means playing by the rules”, Sundaresan said. “I think it’s a positive. I really think it’s a positive. I’m not surprised the family now wants that name to remain. Now he comes across as a hero. He did it before anyone else”.

Well that settles it then. If his family is OK with it then the name is here to stay


Really feel like the whole nomenclature debate is entirely secondary to the main conversation anyway. The Mankad IS a legitimate form of dismissal (if the non-striker is either taking liberties with their backing up, or is just plain lazy, there is a strong argument they deserve exactly what they will get), but the public perception among some is something that can only be shifted with time. Can't change people's perceptions by legislating on it

 

[Burgey]

Maybe his family are all racists

 

[the big bambino]

what's wrong with the uncle thing lol

I found it quite offensive but Hindu nationalists don’t understand

 

[the big bambino]

And another thing!

Kinda think a ****ed up mankad should be called a Zampa.

 

[Burgey]

The Mankad family. Apparently keeping the brown man down since 1946.

 

[honestbharani]

I assume your main complaint here is people on Twitter, since you were using Mankad quite liberally before. I don't really agree about the stigma thing, I think creating a positive stigma around Mankad is a much better way to go about things. Sometimes trying to "neutralise" language has the opposite effect because you're effectively making Mankad into a slur, which racists love to use.

Of course I did. It is after seeing how it has basically led to bullying of people racially online on SM that I felt it should not be called that. And honestly, it is already a slur, which is the whole point. But I feel it has become enough of an issue that waiting for it to become normal is really not gonna happen.

 

[honestbharani]

I dunno, I feel like if a large number of Indians aren't happy with it then it's an issue cricket could deal with, but I don't really get that feeling (I don't live in India either obviously). The wishes of Mankad's family posted above should hold be considered too.

I think I am pretty sure I have heard Ashok Mankad mention he wished his dad's name was not associated with this. Ashok Mankad used to commentate a lot in the 90s and 00s but mostly for Ranji games.