England test tour of Pakistan December 2022

[ashley bach]

Factoring in the runs scored after his dropped catches, Marcus Harris literally had a quantifiably negative impact on the 2019 Ashes.

Yes I know and I can't stand him, which is why I would gamble with whoever the next in line is.
Whatever way you look at it, Warner averaged about 5 in a 5 test match series in England. He'll be going into the series in much worse
form/condition than 4 years ago. The fact that your team mates back you up counts for a lot, but only when it's a relatively close decision.
When it's crystal clear that a player shouldn't be playing, all your mates opinions shouldn't carry any weight at all.
As you said earlier, it won't surprise if he pulls out anyway. Jesus the guy must have nightmares of Broad running in towards him.

 

[Ashes81]

The first test was a historic low point by itself and everything since then has been a demonstration of Murphy's law for Pakistan. Need a revamp. Lots of problems TSTL. England deserved to win for their bravery alone.

I don't think things are as bleak for Pakistan as they currently seem.

You were missing some key players and the loss of the 1st test knocked the stuffing out of the side.

Look at us, after the Ashes debacle and the loss in March to the W Indies by 10 wkts, we were in a much worse state than Pakistan are in now.

I'm not saying Pakistan can or should go down the bazball route but its amazing what a change in leadership can do in a short space of time.

 

[FBU]

Apart from the 0-3 score line, itself unheard of in Pakistan, the whole series already feels unreal. Did we really score 500 on the first day of the series? Because that's just ridiculous. I have no idea what our overall scoring rate was for the series as a whole, but aren't we supposed to go at about 2 an over in these parts? How on earth did 3 of our quicks end up averaging 19, 20 and 21 on these wickets? Did Will Jacks really take six wickets to give us a vital first innings lead at Rawlpindi? What is Harry Brook on and can I have some please? And obviously England just don't do 18 year old leg-spinners taking a match-turning 5-for on debut. Just astonishing, the whole thing.

Agree. Astonishing.

@RicFinlay
Eng scored at 91.83 runs per 100 balls v Pak, who managed 55.39. Eng's series rate is the highest in Test history, as is the difference (36.44) in any series of 3 Tests or more.

 

[GIMH]

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England team pretty easy but I struggled with Windies

 

[Howe_zat]

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England team pretty easy but I struggled with Windies

I got 19/22, thanks to some West Indians that have been mentioned a lot more on CW/Cricsim over the years than they probably earned.

Christ that Windies attack was awful. Post injury Collymore trundling in at 79mph, Darren Powell, Fidel Edwards and no spinner.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

19 also. A couple of the Windies I didn't get were a "kick yourself" experience. I have to admit I have no recollection of the career or passing of Runako Morton whatsoever.

 

[honestbharani]

TBH, there is a lot to llike about how they have structured their domestic cricket in Pak recently. Its a question of actually living to up to those tall promises made by PCB though, esp. financially. Seems there is already quite a few who have not been paid their contract fees etc.

 

[Ashes81]

I can see Pat Cummins turning at the top of his mark on the first day of the upcoming Ashes series, Duke ball in hand on a green sward with clouds over head, looking up and quaking in his boots as he sees [checks notes] 29-averaging Parramatta second grader Ben Duckett marking out his guard with proven successes against Australia in Zac Crawley and Ollie Pope at the non-striker's end and padded up at three respectively.

I hope he'll be ok.

I'm sure Cummings will be fine.

But so to will Jimmy Anderson when he turns from his mark, shiny Duke ball in hand on a nice green top, to see the mighty Davie 'sandpaper gate, I'm really sorry ???? , can I be vice captain again please, Warner taking his guard.

That'll be the same Davie Warner who averages (checks notes) 26 in England and in 2019 managed a massive 95 runs from10 innings at 9.5 per knock.

Still the Aussies will always have the following batsmen to give Anderson and Co some sleepless nights: (checks notes)
Usman Khawaja - average 19.66 in England

Travis Head - averages 27.28 in England

Cameron Green and Alex Carey - never played a test in England - still I'm sure they be fine against the moving ball as the Aussies always are.

I'll get the sleeping tablets on order for Messrs Anderson, Broad, Archer, Robinson, Wood and Woakes.

 

[Daemon]

19 also. A couple of the Windies I didn't get were a "kick yourself" experience. I have to admit I have no recollection of the career or passing of Runako Morton whatsoever.

31 ball duck ring a bell?

 

[Gremlin]

Quiz! Name the XIs the last time England won a men’s Test without Anderson and Broad

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England team pretty easy but I struggled with Windies

Gutted I missed Monty! He has always been a favourite of mine, 2007 seemed too early for him somehow. I struggled with the Windies too

 

[Prince EWS]

31 ball duck ring a bell?

The fact that it was an ODI makes it even better. So good.

 

[Sunil1z]

Wasn’t Runako Morton Man of the Match in CT match against Aus ( 2006) ?

 

[Anil]

very impressive from england! the ultimate test for bazball is how it will work in the ashes, especially down under...

edit: would be interesting to see how the approach fares against india in india as well...

 

[Sunil1z]

very impressive from england! the ultimate test for bazball is how it will work in the ashes, especially down under...

edit: would be interesting to see how the approach fares against india in india as well...

Bazball will work in IND and AUS . Otherwise Sehwag, Gilchrist, Warner and Pant ( need longevity imo) wouldn’t have Test career.
Even if England loses in these countries that won’t mean Bazball didn’t work . It would mean opposition are too good .

 

[Adders]

Can we all just remember that no matter how a team approaches the game.....****ing call it Bazball or whatever. It is still test cricket and that means you need to take 20 wickets to win.......6's and 4's can put you in winning positions but they don't win you games.

All the focus on this new England is around the batting yet it is so much more than that ffs.

 

[Anil]

of course the bowling is important as well but you can't deny that the success of this ultra-aggressive batting approach has significantly reduced the pressure on the bowlers as well as put a ton of additional pressure on the opposition batting lineups (which also helps your bowlers).

 

[wpdavid]

Can we all just remember that no matter how a team approaches the game.....****ing call it Bazball or whatever. It is still test cricket and that means you need to take 20 wickets to win.......6's and 4's can put you in winning positions but they don't win you games.

All the focus on this new England is around the batting yet it is so much more than that ffs.

You are Tim De Lisle and I claim my reward

England’s bowlers have cast a spell in Pakistan without a magician | Tim de Lisle

Only one other side has taken all 60 wickets in a three-Test series in Pakistan – and Sri Lanka had Muttiah Muralitharan

www.theguardian.com

 

[Burgey]

Jesus the guy must have nightmares of Broad running in towards him.

I think the whole CA leadership thing has had a much bigger effect on his thinking than any one bowler tbh.

 

[GIMH]

I think the whole CA leadership thing has had a much bigger effect on his thinking than any one bowler tbh.

He doesn’t average 4 against the CA leadership though so…

 

[Burgey]

I'm sure Cummings will be fine.

But so to will Jimmy Anderson when he turns from his mark, shiny Duke ball in hand on a nice green top, to see the mighty Davie 'sandpaper gate, I'm really sorry ???? , can I be vice captain again please, Warner taking his guard.

That'll be the same Davie Warner who averages (checks notes) 26 in England and in 2019 managed a massive 95 runs from10 innings at 9.5 per knock.

Still the Aussies will always have the following batsmen to give Anderson and Co some sleepless nights: (checks notes)
Usman Khawaja - average 19.66 in England

Travis Head - averages 27.28 in England

Cameron Green and Alex Carey - never played a test in England - still I'm sure they be fine against the moving ball as the Aussies always are.

I'll get the sleeping tablets on order for Messrs Anderson, Broad, Archer, Robinson, Wood and Woakes.

Man does run down of the Australian batting line up and omits mentioning the three and four who average 60 a piece in test cricket.

I'm sure Jimmy will get a bit of drift though. He usually does.

If England prepare green tops they're mad. If you're going to slog your way to totals like the hack frauds they are, you don't want decks with plenty of sideways in them against blokes like Haze, Boland & Cummins. It would be a nightmare. Surely they'll prepare pretty flat decks so their shoddy techniques and adventurous approach are in with a shot at making a game of it?

The problem if they do that though is it helps the Aus batting line up as much as it does theirs. I mean, preparing something with little sideways movement in it when you're going to be bowling to Smith, Labushagne and Head is a recipe for a shambles isn't it?

Anyway, time will tell. Player for player, the likely Aus line up is simply better than England's. You're having a chuckle at the Aus top order when England's contains Crawley, Duckett and Pope ffs. They won't know what's hit them.

Aus should win and win well. A few DLF Maximums from the home side into the obnoxious, pasty crowd as the score rockets to 7/80 in the 12th over won't change that.