*Official* Australia vs South Africa -2022/3

[Kirkut]

SA had Australia at 21/9 around 11 years ago. There is still some hope left.

 

[StephenZA]

Take that last shot by Uzi as an example

Good ball but terribly played

Not as bad as the next ball...

 

[Shady Slim]

Again a terrible shot

yeah this was real "34 chase, who gives, let's finish it"

 

[Gob]

Neither this pitch helps Aus , nor extreme spin friendly pitch helps IND/SL .
But we should be consistent in our criticism towards any pitch that has excessive help for bowlers .

FTR I have no problem with this pitch . Just calling out few posters with obvious double standards regarding pace and spin.

What I'm saying is, feeding opposition's strength is not 'pitch doctoring'. Let me dumb this down to you

SL preparing a dust bowl when SA (whose strength clearly lies in fast bowling) tours SL is doctoring pitches to suit your own strength and nullify opposition's

Aus preparing a seamer friendly surface when SA tours Aus is not the same thing because it will enhance SA's strengths and reduces the gulf between two sides

This isn't even about good and bad pitches anymore this is about you not being able to comprehend something so basic. I can’t make it any easier

 

[Shady Slim]

harley breen a lookalike for nortje who else sees

 

[TheJediBrah]

Neither this pitch helps Aus , nor extreme spin friendly pitch helps IND/SL .
But we should be consistent in our criticism towards any pitch that has excessive help for bowlers .

FTR I have no problem with this pitch . Just calling out few posters with obvious double standards regarding pace and spin.

You think it's a double standard because you're either not aware of the facts or you don't understand. We haven't seen it from India because they haven't needed to, but SL and Bangladesh have absolutely been doctoring wickets to be more spinny than they normally would be when SENA teams tour. That's what doctoring is. Not just having your normal wickets be spin friendly. On the 2016 Aus tour to SL they were completely open about it, they even took it a step further and prepared a green top for Aus's only tour game and didn't play a specialist spinner in the side to give the home side every chance of winning. And they openly talked about it in the media. This actually happened.

I get that people from SENA can whinge about turning wickets in Asia more than they should, and it's not fair, but you're letting that warp your common sense to the facts of the matter. Your argument would be a lot more respectable if you didn't throw around the word "doctored" when it's clearly not applicable.

 

[Starfighter]

Langer to Rhodes: 'do you see Soth Africa making any changes for the next test'?

For the problematic facet of their game they haven't brought any players worth changing to.

 

[Coronis]

Shocker

 

[Gob]

he literally said otherwise though

Well he basically said Australia failed to beat South Africa at home with normal wickets for 15 years so reverted to a lottery wickets. Isn't that doctoring anyways?

 

[Starfighter]

On the 2016 Aus tour to SL they were completely open about it, they even took it a step further and prepared a green top for Aus's only tour game and didn't play a specialist spinner in the side to give the home side every chance of winning. And they openly talked about it in the media. This actually happened.

Not only that, they prepared green tops in the nets the Australians were using.

 

[Shady Slim]

Not only that, they prepared green tops in the nets the Australians were using.

one of the funniest and best series of all time. exposed australia during the lehmann era for the home track frauds that we were

 

[OverratedSanity]

You think it's a double standard because you're either not aware of the facts or you don't understand. We haven't seen it from India because they haven't needed to, but SL and Bangladesh have absolutely been doctoring wickets to be more spinny than they normally would be when SENA teams tour. That's what doctoring is. Not just having your normal wickets be spin friendly. On the 2016 Aus tour to SL they were completely open about it, they even took it a step further and prepared a green top for Aus's only tour game and didn't play a specialist spinner in the side to give the home side every chance of winning. And they openly talked about it in the media. This actually happened.

Good

 

[Coronis]

Rabada with the casual face five there

 

[morgieb]

Had SA gotten to a 70-80 lead they might have legit had a shot at defending it.

 

[Daemon]

What I'm saying is, feeding opposition's strength is not 'pitch doctoring'. Let me dumb this down to you

SL preparing a dust bowl when SA (whose strength clearly lies in fast bowling) tours SL is doctoring pitches to suit your own strength and nullify opposition's

Aus preparing a seamer friendly surface when SA tours Aus is not the same thing because it will enhance SA's strengths and reduces the gulf between two sides

This isn't even about good and bad pitches anymore this is about you not being able to comprehend something so basic. I can’t make it any easier

Who wrote this definition? Wickets in SL turn and they have for decades. Doesn’t mean they’re doctored.

I don’t like the term in general but if I were to give you a definition it’d be if a pitch was prepared in such a way so as to enhance a particular skillset beyond what would make the game a reasonable contest.

If you go out of your way to prepare something that turns square day one or is decking around uncontrollably then you’ve doctored your wicket.

Is it a bad thing? Unless you’ve gone to such extremes that makes it dangerous, a borefest or a lottery then no, doctoring is fine.

 

[Sunil1z]

What I'm saying is, feeding opposition's strength is not 'pitch doctoring'. Let me dumb this down to you

SL preparing a dust bowl when SA (whose strength clearly lies in fast bowling) tours SL is doctoring pitches to suit your own strength and nullify opposition's

Aus preparing a seamer friendly surface when SA tours Aus is not the same thing because it will enhance SA's strengths and reduces the gulf between two sides

This isn't even about good and bad pitches anymore this is about you not being able to comprehend something so basic. I can’t make it any easier

So , what you are saying that if India was playing on this wicket instead of SA, you would have called it a doctored wicket .

But since SA are playing on it , this isn’t a lottery wicket ?

 

[StephenZA]

Without discussing big changes to the SA batting lineup, the loss of Keegan Petersen to injury has probably really hurt SA batting... a quality enough batsmen to have got a few more runs on a pitch like this that could made enough of a difference.

 

[Sunil1z]

Well he basically said Australia failed to beat South Africa at home with normal wickets for 15 years so reverted to a lottery wickets. Isn't that doctoring anyways?

And you should have also seen who I was replying to ?

 

[Coronis]

So , what you are saying that if India was playing on this wicket instead of SA, you would have called it a doctored wicket .

But since SA are playing on it , this isn’t a lottery wicket ?

lottery - a situation whose success or outcome is governed by chance.

Definitely not.

 

[Number 11]

Pitch quickened up and had more seam movement on Day 2 than Day 1. If it had gone the other way I might have tried defending it. Actually enjoy these types of matches personally, but 2 day tests bring too many broad strokes negatives.