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_00_deathscar

International Regular
Yea this obsession with that ratings system is a bit weird. It can be useful in figuring out some things, but it's clearly not the singular determining factor because the ranking is affected by a much smaller portion of matches than what we usually consider peaks/great runs of form etc.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
rtramdas said:
I know every record of Imran .... there is nothing to be looked at ...when around 15 people accuse him of cheating his way to cricketing greatness , what is there much to even look at? The base itself is shallow.
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Yet you still accept Akram who was caught on camera tampering and then later featured in a matchfixing report...
 
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rtramdas

U19 12th Man
subshakerz said:
Yet you still accept Akram who was caught on camera tampering and then later featured in a matchfixing report...
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His peers rated Akram very highly as I already said. From that, I perceive that he would have averaged at the least in the range 25.5-27.5 even if with out tampering, adequate enough to be in the 'eleven.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
rtramdas said:
His peers rated Akram very highly as I already said. From that, I perceive that he would have averaged at the least in the range 25.5-27.5 even if with out tampering, adequate enough to be in the 'eleven.
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Maybe it's before your time, but Imran the bowlers in the early 80s before his injury was rated the best in the world. Plus the best allrounder after Sobers.
 
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rtramdas

U19 12th Man
Migara said:
Murali' bowling >>>. Jadeja as full package
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I had my reservations w.r.t Murali because of the strong chucking accusations ' against him. WRT this topic, I once again went thru some
online clippings and associated messages, especially that brace test and all. Watched the remarks of Steve Waugh, Ian Chappel too .
From all these , I am being forced to change my opinion w.r.t the legality of his action.

Another important factor I could trace out when I dissected stats once again has been that , there is a convincingly big gap between Murali's & Jadeja's abroad averages that too with huge difference in longevity. Abroad average is one thing to which I give lots of weightage when compared to home average. And hence I am forced to change my opinion and accept that Murali was a convincingly better bowler to Jadeja

Again I don't agree at all with your ' Murali' bowling >>>. Jadeja as full package ' pure emotional reaction. This is because Jadeja can provide almost 36 runs to team total also apart from his bowling performances. So Jadeja still is better as a full package for me.

Having said that , based on the fact that 'Murali was a convincingly better bowler to Jadeja' I am forced to replace Jadeja with Murali in my eleven
because 'spinner slot ' is specialist position in the team.

My updated test eleven is as follows.

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Sangakkara
Laxman
Pant(wk)
Kapil Dev(c)
Akram
Bumrah
Muralitharan
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
rtramdas said:
I had my reservations w.r.t Murali because of the strong chucking accusations ' against him. WRT this topic, I once again went thru some
online clippings and associated messages, especially that brace test and all. Watched the remarks of Steve Waugh, Ian Chappel too .
From all these , I am being forced to change my opinion w.r.t the legality of his action.

Another important factor I could trace out when I dissected stats once again has been that , there is a convincingly big gap between Murali's & Jadeja's abroad averages that too with huge difference in longevity. Abroad average is one thing to which I give lots of weightage when compared to home average. And hence I am forced to change my opinion and accept that Murali was a convincingly better bowler to Jadeja

Again I don't agree at all with your ' Murali' bowling >>>. Jadeja as full package ' pure emotional reaction. This is because Jadeja can provide almost 36 runs to team total also apart from his bowling performances. So Jadeja still is better as a full package for me.

Having said that , based on the fact that 'Murali was a convincingly better bowler to Jadeja' I am forced to replace Jadeja with Murali in my eleven
because 'spinner slot ' is specialist position in the team.

My updated test eleven is as follows.

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Sangakkara
Laxman
Pant(wk)
Kapil Dev(c)
Akram
Bumrah
Muralitharan
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1. Your reservations on bowlers' actions don't matter to anyone bar you.
2. Murali' bowling >>>. Jadeja as full package, yes it is. Murali is easily the top spinner cricket has seen. Jadeja is struggling to get in to top 10 all rounders in cricket history. So yes, Murali >>> Jadeja as the whole package.
 
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Patience and Accuracy+Gut

State Vice-Captain
rtramdas said:
I had my reservations w.r.t Murali because of the strong chucking accusations ' against him. WRT this topic, I once again went thru some
online clippings and associated messages, especially that brace test and all. Watched the remarks of Steve Waugh, Ian Chappel too .
From all these , I am being forced to change my opinion w.r.t the legality of his action.

Another important factor I could trace out when I dissected stats once again has been that , there is a convincingly big gap between Murali's & Jadeja's abroad averages that too with huge difference in longevity. Abroad average is one thing to which I give lots of weightage when compared to home average. And hence I am forced to change my opinion and accept that Murali was a convincingly better bowler to Jadeja

Again I don't agree at all with your ' Murali' bowling >>>. Jadeja as full package ' pure emotional reaction. This is because Jadeja can provide almost 36 runs to team total also apart from his bowling performances. So Jadeja still is better as a full package for me.

Having said that , based on the fact that 'Murali was a convincingly better bowler to Jadeja' I am forced to replace Jadeja with Murali in my eleven
because 'spinner slot ' is specialist position in the team.

My updated test eleven is as follows.

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Sangakkara
Laxman
Pant(wk)
Kapil Dev(c)
Akram
Bumrah
Muralitharan
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Shami >> Akram.Akram was 29-30 averaging bowler.
Jadeja replaces Murali
And Kohli>Sanga.
Perfect team would be-

Gavasker
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Kohli*
Laxman
Pant+
Jadeja
Dev
Shami
Bumrah
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
rtramdas said:
I had my reservations w.r.t Murali because of the strong chucking accusations ' against him. WRT this topic, I once again went thru some
online clippings and associated messages, especially that brace test and all. Watched the remarks of Steve Waugh, Ian Chappel too .
From all these , I am being forced to change my opinion w.r.t the legality of his action.

Another important factor I could trace out when I dissected stats once again has been that , there is a convincingly big gap between Murali's & Jadeja's abroad averages that too with huge difference in longevity. Abroad average is one thing to which I give lots of weightage when compared to home average. And hence I am forced to change my opinion and accept that Murali was a convincingly better bowler to Jadeja

Again I don't agree at all with your ' Murali' bowling >>>. Jadeja as full package ' pure emotional reaction. This is because Jadeja can provide almost 36 runs to team total also apart from his bowling performances. So Jadeja still is better as a full package for me.

Having said that , based on the fact that 'Murali was a convincingly better bowler to Jadeja' I am forced to replace Jadeja with Murali in my eleven
because 'spinner slot ' is specialist position in the team.

My updated test eleven is as follows.

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Sangakkara
Laxman
Pant(wk)
Kapil Dev(c)
Akram
Bumrah
Muralitharan
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Pant over Dhoni as keeper?
 
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rtramdas

U19 12th Man
subshakerz said:
Pant over Dhoni as keeper?
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Pant has already 4 aggressive 100+ scores in SENA to go with 2 series winning knocks in Australia last time. Dhoni's highest in SENA is 92.
And Pant is not 25 yet .... Dhoni at best is a 'good' test batsman . He has only longevity in favour of him when compared to Pant...Quality wise( tests only) Pant has been far ahead. How can that be neglected?? Keeping wise too Pant is not far behind Dhoni...
 
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rtramdas

U19 12th Man
Migara said:
1. Your reservations on bowlers' actions don't matter to anyone bar you.
2. Murali' bowling >>>. Jadeja as full package, yes it is. Murali is easily the top spinner cricket has seen. Jadeja is struggling to get in to top 10 all rounders in cricket history. So yes, Murali >>> Jadeja as the whole package.
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Bowling average of 24.5 , Bat avg: of 36 and one of the GOAT elite all round fielders .. That for me is complete package. Being atleast 'above average' in 3 disciplines. So disagreeing with you .Again each to their own.
 
Adorable Asshole

Adorable Asshole

International Regular
rtramdas said:
Bowling average of 24.5 , Bat avg: of 36 and one of the GOAT elite all round fielders .. That for me is complete package. Being atleast 'above average' in 3 disciplines. So disagreeing with you .Again each to their own.
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U think he's better than Kapil Dev? I don't
 
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rtramdas

U19 12th Man
Adorable Asshole said:
U think he's better than Kapil Dev? I don't
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Jadeja better all round fielder for sure despite Kapil being a brilliant fielder himself. Kapil was the better captain..
Kapil better batsman... perhaps slightly better bowler as well when all contexts taken in to account ...So all in all it has to be Kapil ...
 
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