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All time Asian-XI

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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
rtramdas said:
He might have tampered too... But he was that much skilled a bowler so much so that his performance wouldn't have dipped too much even with out that unfair tactics. He was always at least a 26-27.5 averaging calibre bowler. Remember how lots of his contemporary batsmen rated him so highly. WRT fixing, if any fixing only adversely affects one's performance, isn't it? A bowler can't over perform when fixing matches, only
under perform...isn't it? That implies, with out fixing , that bowler would have been a better one at it. Isn't it? Having said that , there is no doubt that there is this matter of morality associated with this act. Hence I accept that Akram's selection in my team is a bit questionable. Still I go with him because there is no doubt w.r.t to his natural calibre as a fast bowler.
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Look at Imran overseas vs Akram
 
Adorable Asshole

Adorable Asshole

International Regular
rtramdas said:
He might have tampered too... But he was that much skilled a bowler so much so that his performance wouldn't have dipped too much even with out that unfair tactics. He was always at least a 26-27.5 averaging calibre bowler. Remember how lots of his contemporary batsmen rated him so highly. WRT fixing, if any fixing only adversely affects one's performance, isn't it? A bowler can't over perform when fixing matches, only
under perform...isn't it? That implies, with out fixing , that bowler would have been a better one at it. Isn't it? Having said that , there is no doubt that there is this matter of morality associated with this act. Hence I accept that Akram's selection in my team is a bit questionable. Still I go with him because there is no doubt w.r.t to his natural calibre as a fast bowler.
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Srinath > Akram
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
rtramdas said:
Kapil benefitted from ball tampering??? Can you provide any evidence? If required, I can provide even 15 game associated men who quoted Imran's name w.r.t ball tampering.

3,4,5 are middle order positions. Only ' 3 ' of these is a bit more important . Dravid assures his position there. Then 1, 2 & 6 are so specialist positions and soo different from other positions in batting order. Hence it makes no sense in placing a middle order batsman in 6th position.

Pant has already played some clutch inns which even any specialist batsman has not played in their entire career. Bumrah has 128 wkts with 21.99 average. I dont' find any other fast bowling contender from Asia with 'clean record & adequate longevity' who is even remotely close to Bumrah.

I already said about Murali's drawbacks & Jadeja's additional qualities.
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Murali' bowling >>>. Jadeja as full package
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
Pap Finn Keighl said:
What consistency?
Saqlain averages less than 25 against every major cricket nation except South Africa.
Murali averages more than 25 against India, Australia, Pakistan and West Indies.
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This consistency. Averages over 800 point for as long as 2/3 of Saqlain's career, which Saqlain only managed for 3 matches. THAT is called consistency at the highest order. And with the graph, it shows. The best thing is even Saqlain himeslf doesn't believe he was the ebst ODi spinner.

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Pap Finn Keighl

Pap Finn Keighl

International Debutant
Migara said:
This consistency. Averages over 800 point for as long as 2/3 of Saqlain's career, which Saqlain only managed for 3 matches. THAT is called consistency at the highest order. And with the graph, it shows. The best thing is even Saqlain himeslf doesn't believe he was the ebst ODi spinner.

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By that logic Lara was better ODI batsman than Sachin in 90s.. I guess.
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
Pap Finn Keighl said:
By that logic Lara was better ODI batsman than Sachin in 90s.. I guess.
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Filters filters etc. Muralis' better rated matches is better than Saqlain. Murali's worse ratings are also better than Saqlain. There is not even a comparison.

And FYI here is Lara vs Tendulkar. Tendulkar is heads and shoulders above Lara in ODIs.

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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Migara said:
This consistency. Averages over 800 point for as long as 2/3 of Saqlain's career, which Saqlain only managed for 3 matches. THAT is called consistency at the highest order. And with the graph, it shows. The best thing is even Saqlain himeslf doesn't believe he was the ebst ODi spinner.

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Aren't these rankings contextual on how other bowlers are bowling in that period?
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Migara said:
Filters filters etc. Muralis' better rated matches is better than Saqlain. Murali's worse ratings are also better than Saqlain. There is not even a comparison.

And FYI here is Lara vs Tendulkar. Tendulkar is heads and shoulders above Lara in ODIs.

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I have a feeling if the bowling records were reversed you would instantly being up Saqlain averaging over 30 against Australia and India.

Which record matters more?
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
subshakerz said:
So Murali being top rating for longer has more to do with bowling opposition outside of Saqlain's time. It isn't a good way to judge bowlers. Just look at their respective records.
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So you are saying that the composite bowling quality of ODIs dropped like this when Saqlain retired?
 
Pap Finn Keighl

Pap Finn Keighl

International Debutant
Migara said:
Question has no relevance. So pass.
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For your information..
Everybody rates 90s Sachin far higher than 90s Lara , but in that Same period Lara's ratings were better than Sachin..
That means either Lara was better than Sachin in 90s, or Rating points are not ultimate evidence for player quality.
 
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