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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
When your team's template for T20 or ODIs is the best example of the definition of insanity, there is very little to feel good as a supporter/fan of that team.

It would be one thing had the team tried to go down the aggressive route as batsmen that was promised and then lost this badly. But the cycle alwyas repeats. We are outclassed in WC KO games, we go back and promise to play a different brand of cricket, try certain players, dump certain players, but just before the WC we panic and either bring back those discarded players or go back to that method of cricket.

There is no way in hell Shami, Bhuvi, Chahal or Kuldeep are good enough bowlers in LO formats to defend picking them over bowlers who can actually bat and/or field, and therefore at least allow our batting to take more chances up top. And with the batting, Rahul is the very definition of a mental midget, and that is being harsh on midgets. T20 teams and even ODI teams need allround options. Unless you have a patently powerful bowling line up like Pak or Aus (and they often go the journey too), it is always safer to bet on #batdeep these days in LO cricket.

Look for enough left handers and enough varieties of bowlers so that you can be prepared for all sorts of match-ups and conditions, give up on uber specialists - and by this, I not only mean batsmen who cant bowl or bowlers who cant bat, but also include players like DK who cant bat when there is more than 20 balls left or Harshal Patel or Kuldeep who cant bowl in the Powerplay etc. - and look for players who have specific skillsets than players who can play specific situations.

Going forward, our investment should start with experimenting with Pant as a LO opener or just dropping him for good from all LO formats for India. Rohit should not be selected for T20s going forward and if we think Pandya is the captaincy material we need, then we should go all in on him now. I would suggest looking at below combination to start with, for our T20 future -

Pant (wk) (vc) (backup- Ishan Kishan)
Gill (backup - Ruturaj Gaekwad)
Virat (backup - Shreyas Iyer)
SKY (backup - no idea, we have no one this good. Maybe Sarfraz Khan)
Tilak Verma (backup - no idea again, need left-handed MO options. For now, Abhishek Sharma??)
Hardik (c) - (backup - Dube?? 3D?? Ideally dont have one but maybe invest in Raj Bawa? Hangergekar?)
Washington Sundar - (backup - Krunal Pandya??)
Deepak Chahar - (backup - Yash Dhayal???)
Shardul Thakur - (backup - Harshal Patel??)
Ravi Bishnoi - (backup - Rahul Chahar??)
Jasprit Bumrah - (backup - Arshdeep Singh)

If we cant see the light after this loss, we never will. T20 is a game of high variance and it brings teams closer together than any other format even if there is a gulf in their actual pure cricketing skills, but even given all that, the last T20 WC was very much more of a lottery with the toss and the conditions than this one and we were simply outclassed by a far better T20 outfit, not just on the day, but I guess overall on balance across all conditions.
 

Sunil1z

International Regular
I don’t care at this point. We just need a complete do over like England after 2015.
No , we don’t. Our team scored 236 against a full strength SA side on similar flat pitches before WC.

What we need
1. A Fast scoring opener like Sehwag
2. A top 4 batsman who can bowl part time like Sehwag/Raina, so we don’t have to play mediocre spinners like Axar/Ashwin
3. A wicket taking spinner like Rashid, Hasranga or Shadab
4 . A 150 kph fast bowler who can be a bit consistent.
5. A mental conditioning coach to stop choking.
 

Socerer 01

International Captain
No , we don’t. Our team scored 236 against a full strength SA side on similar flat pitches before WC.

What we need
1. A Fast scoring opener like Sehwag
2. A top 4 batsman who can bowl part time like Sehwag/Raina, so we don’t have to play mediocre spinners like Axar/Ashwin
3. A wicket taking spinner like Rashid, Hasranga or Shadab
4 . A 150 kph fast bowler who can be a bit consistent.
5. A mental conditioning coach to stop choking.
so… a complete do over.
 

cnerd123

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Dragging the convo here from the Semi-finals thread

Drop Lokesh, Rohit, Kohli, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Shami, Karthik. They're all old and/or multi format players. The next T20 WC is in 2 years, let's start from scratch and build a squad of specialists.

Kohli is still gun, but he is 34 and will be 36 by the time the next WT20 rolls around. Between now and then we have a 50 over World Cup and plenty of Test series. I'd rather we don't burn him out by pushing him in all 3 formats again. Rest him from all the useless T20s and let him focus on Tests and 50 Over cricket IMO. If by the time 2024 rolls around we still have no one else, and he's killing it in the IPL, then draft him in for some bilateral T20s/Asia Cup right before the WC and assess then if he can improve the side or not.

Bumrah is 28 and broken already. I'd rather wrap him up in cotton wool as well. He's so good he can be wheeled out for T20 world cups only and still perform, so no need to ruin him in meaningless bilaterals.

Build around SKY, Pandya (he probably won't ever be fit enough for Tests anyways) and Arshdeep for 2024. Chahar too if he's ever fit enough to string a year of cricket together.

Axar has youth on his side but didn't impress at all. Might be better of focusing on Tests too. But he can be given more time to learn and grow as well. Pant I think can be 3 formats, but if he doesn't improve in T20s quick then let him focus on Tests and ODIs too.

Some young guns worth a punt - Bishnoi, Shaw, Kishin, Samson, Umran. Can't think of many other 140kmph+ bowlers (Avesh and Saini might get better with more game time?) or destructive hitters (Tewatia?) floating around in the domestix that we can push for T20s. Not sure if Hooda is legit or a hack. Gaikwad is supposed to be good as well? IDK. But these are the kind of guys we need to be experimenting with moving forward. Tilak Verma definitely worth a punt too.

But yea knowing the Indian selectors they'll do **** all and we'll probably have exactly the same XI in 2024 :)
 

Arachnodouche

International Captain
It's a measure of how unlikable the setup and the personalities in it is that no loss stings for more than a minute these days. Can't help supporting the Indian side, it's some sort of leftover from childhood, but defeats haven't been a day-ruining experience for a while now. A good space for a fan to be in.
 

Adorable Asshole

International Regular
No , we don’t. Our team scored 236 against a full strength SA side on similar flat pitches before WC.

What we need
1. A Fast scoring opener like Sehwag
2. A top 4 batsman who can bowl part time like Sehwag/Raina, so we don’t have to play mediocre spinners like Axar/Ashwin
3. A wicket taking spinner like Rashid, Hasranga or Shadab
4 . A 150 kph fast bowler who can be a bit consistent.
5. A mental conditioning coach to stop choking.
Sehwag was meh in ODIs but yeah the current lot makes him look better
 

Socerer 01

International Captain
Dragging the convo here from the Semi-finals thread

Drop Lokesh, Rohit, Kohli, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Shami, Karthik. They're all old and/or multi format players. The next T20 WC is in 2 years, let's start from scratch and build a squad of specialists.

Kohli is still gun, but he is 34 and will be 36 by the time the next WT20 rolls around. Between now and then we have a 50 over World Cup and plenty of Test series. I'd rather we don't burn him out by pushing him in all 3 formats again. Rest him from all the useless T20s and let him focus on Tests and 50 Over cricket IMO. If by the time 2024 rolls around we still have no one else, and he's killing it in the IPL, then draft him in for some bilateral T20s/Asia Cup right before the WC and assess then if he can improve the side or not.

Bumrah is 28 and broken already. I'd rather wrap him up in cotton wool as well. He's so good he can be wheeled out for T20 world cups only and still perform, so no need to ruin him in meaningless bilaterals.

Build around SKY, Pandya (he probably won't ever be fit enough for Tests anyways) and Arshdeep for 2024. Chahar too if he's ever fit enough to string a year of cricket together.

Axar has youth on his side but didn't impress at all. Might be better of focusing on Tests too. But he can be given more time to learn and grow as well. Pant I think can be 3 formats, but if he doesn't improve in T20s quick then let him focus on Tests and ODIs too.

Some young guns worth a punt - Bishnoi, Shaw, Kishin, Samson, Umran. Can't think of many other 140kmph+ bowlers (Avesh and Saini might get better with more game time?) or destructive hitters (Tewatia?) floating around in the domestix that we can push for T20s. Not sure if Hooda is legit or a hack. Gaikwad is supposed to be good as well? IDK. But these are the kind of guys we need to be experimenting with moving forward. Tilak Verma definitely worth a punt too.

But yea knowing the Indian selectors they'll do **** all and we'll probably have exactly the same XI in 2024 :)
Saini has just disappeared all of a sudden. He was rapid once and used to bowl on the pitch rather than beamers. Avesh isn't 140+ and he is another who collapses under pressure. Umran is a spray gun but who else is there with that raw pace? Just select him in the team and let him have the experience of a Bangladeshi youth cricketer who is promoted beyond his level. Sen is someone who can bowl 140+ and is one of those squads. Mavi is also returning to his old speeds apparently and may be good if he moves away from KKR as rumoured. Nagarkoti if he can be fit is another option. I'm not sure if Tyagi is that quick but he has touched 140 before. Has to move in the IPL though as he will never get a game ahead of Umran, Natarajan and Kumar

Hooda is a certified hack, get the **** out of the team. Gaikwad is good against spin and can deal with pure pace okayish but isn't good versus seam or swing. He is another from the Rahul school but at least he is batting below the order this time in domestic cricket to improve his skill
 

Daemon

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Didn't Dravid also say that this is tough because they will be missing on Ranji cricket and that is paramount to the domestic system and the test team is the first priority in the same conference?
Yeah I don’t want Bumrah playing T20I leagues everywhere and burning out or getting injured when we have a test

They could grant NOCs to the non contracted/lowest tier of contracted players though.
 

Adorable Asshole

International Regular
Didn't Dravid also say that this is tough because they will be missing on Ranji cricket and that is paramount to the domestic system and the test team is the first priority in the same conference?
Other countries players still play in other T20 leagues and still do better than us. Anyway i'm not talking capped players but uncapped players like Umran Malik who could benefit a lot from playing in a foreign league.
 

Socerer 01

International Captain
Yeah I don’t want Bumrah playing T20I leagues everywhere and burning out or getting injured when we have a test

They could grant NOCs to the non contracted/lowest tier of contracted players though.
Bumrah isn't going to be the one playing leagues everywhere. It'll probably be someone like Chahar or Umran who are on the fringes but won't get picked in a full strength team
 

Socerer 01

International Captain
Other countries players still play in other T20 leagues and still do better than us. Anyway i'm not talking capped players but uncapped players like Umran Malik who could benefit a lot from playing in a foreign league.
I'm not denying your logic my dude, I'm saying that in response to the tweet that paints a picture of Dravid somehow wanting players to participate in a BBL when that was not what he meant in the PC
 

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