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Cummins vs Bumrah

The Better Bowler

  • Bumrah

    Votes: 22 37.9%
  • Cummins

    Votes: 36 62.1%

  • Total voters
    58

Migara

International Coach
I have no beef with Cummins tbh. I'm aware you can push for a good cause while not wanting to turn your own personal life upside down. It's cleary more the governments and big businesses of the world that should pick up their act before one dude has to re climate change. I still like John Lennon's "Imagine" for example!

My point is merely I can see why perceived hypocrisy gets people's goat. Big believer in actions speak louder than words. I guess with climate change in particular, it's really hard to not be perceived as a hypocrite. But with other issues I'm less forgiving. And I guess I get triggered by the "everyone's a hypocrite so I guess I can say whatever and do whatever" logic


One issue in particular I see a lot now is people claiming to be mental health advocates while being insult happy if there's a chance for a good joke. And every insult probably leads to a victim's mental health being slightly affected
The other issue is just because you own a Electric driven Tesla, BMW i8 or a Leaf doesn't tell your energy is clean. As long as you don't have a solar powered charging point at home, you are just using electricity that was part produced by burning up fossil fuels.

On the other hand it was "green idiots" who were once against nuclear power. Because of the fear they created, politicians are **** scared to look into one of the cheapest sources of power available.

I have no opinion of Cummins because the whole green thingy is a mess.
 

Starfighter

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I have no beef with Cummins tbh. I'm aware you can push for a good cause while not wanting to turn your own personal life upside down. It's cleary more the governments and big businesses of the world that should pick up their act before one dude has to re climate change. I still like John Lennon's "Imagine" for example!

My point is merely I can see why perceived hypocrisy gets people's goat. Big believer in actions speak louder than words. I guess with climate change in particular, it's really hard to not be perceived as a hypocrite. But with other issues I'm less forgiving. And I guess I get triggered by the "everyone's a hypocrite so I guess I can say whatever and do whatever" logic


One issue in particular I see a lot now is people claiming to be mental health advocates while being insult happy if there's a chance for a good joke. And every insult probably leads to a victim's mental health being slightly affected
I think part of the intensity of the perception of hypocrisy has to do with it's very wealthy, conspicuous consumers, who often enough actually are (not necessarily in Cummins' case) asking ordinary people to turn their lives upside down while their wealth isolates them from the costs. It's a very basic human emotion that's being tapped. Hardly new (though perhaps displayed across a grander scale than before).

On the other hand it was "green idiots" who were once against nuclear power. Because of the fear they created, politicians are **** scared to look into one of the cheapest sources of power available.
About the first sensible point I've seen you make on here. The counterfactual emissions trajectory without the Green movement beggars belief.
 
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trundler

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sure but in the grand scheme of things it's a red herring - if cummins was going around slashing people's tyres for not buying a prius while himself driving around in a dodge ram or whatever sure, but you don't have to be living off the grid to be able to reasonably call out or draw attention to attempted greenwashing by a company which is the fifth (?) biggest polluter in the entire country
I agree that we're not getting anywhere without sustainable energy and I don't expect anyone talking about change to be a full blown anarcho primitivist but not hauling around a wasteful has guzzling SUV is a basic individual responsibility that anyone, especially someone who claims to be socially conscious, should own up to. Actions do matter, especially when they don't require a massive life altering sacrifice. Red's reasons are perfectly valid.

FWIW, I say this as a massive car nerd. You know where I stand on transit inspite of that.
 

Burgey

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I agree that we're not getting anywhere without sustainable energy and I don't expect anyone talking about change to be a full blown anarcho primitivist but not hauling around a wasteful has guzzling SUV is a basic individual responsibility that anyone, especially someone who claims to be socially conscious, should own up to. Actions do matter, especially when they don't require a massive life altering sacrifice. Red's reasons are perfectly valid.

FWIW, I say this as a massive car nerd. You know where I stand on transit inspite of that.
This is an outrageous slur on all new BMW X3 owners tbh

I think Cummins actually lives out of town on a property these days (not that he’d be there very often). He might have the 4wd for farm stuff, bu who knows
 

trundler

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This is an outrageous slur on all new BMW X3 owners tbh

I think Cummins actually lives out of town on a property these days (not that he’d be there very often). He might have the 4wd for farm stuff, bu who knows
Crossovers shouldn't even exist. You get the same seating space as a medium sized sedan but you're in a car that's objectively worse to drive. They only exist because they make you feel like a kid sitting on a stack of chairs. Woo, I'm higher up.

I'll admit I hadn't considered that he might actually use his SUV for utility.
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
Cummins is better, but not by much. Think the margin cummins is currently winning by (20-3) doesn't reflect how gun a test bowler bumrah is. That slower ball yorker to shaun marsh is still stuck in my head.
 

Spark

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IIRC he bowled an even better slower ball to someone at Lord's but I can't remember who it was. Crazy ball.
 

straw man

Hall of Fame Member
If Cummins actually practised what he preached I wouldn't have a problem. I'm not parroting anyone - I formed my opinion at the time he came out with his comments about sponsorship. I don't hate Cummins and I haven't witnessed any comments that remotely resemble hatred.
Well there's an enormous media apparatus finely tuned to smear every person that suggests maybe we should do something about climate change (and all sorts of other issues), uses every rhetorical technique known to man and who know exactly how to frame every issue to push your buttons - yet you're sure your opinion is not influenced by them? You calling him 'entitled' is a real tell imo - he's entitled because what, he earned his own success being an excellent cricketer? It's a meaningless epithet in Cummins' case, but it's one thrown around by newscorp etc.

Re hypocrisy, other people have already addressed that well. Though I strongly suggest you have no idea how much or how little fossil fuel Cummins uses - you're sure as hell not going to get an accurate carbon accounting from his critics. Besides, the purpose of such accusations is that:
- noone that has ever benefited from the consumption of fossil fuels may suggest that we reduce using them, or they will be called a hypocrite immediately. As that's 100% of people, noone may ever suggest we reduce using them. Ever.
- if you do suggest we should reduce using fossil fuels, you will immediately be called a hypocrite unless you stop driving, stop flying, stop eating, stop using all electronics, imported goods, plastics and go and live in a cave.

In both cases, the entire purpose of the rhetoric is to shut people down. It's entirely in bad faith. And yet such obviously stupid points are still thrown at people like Cummins thousands of times over. The concept that a person might live within a certain system while suggesting it should consistently be improved is deliberately obliterated.

Sport has a long history of receiving, and even depending on, sponsorship. The tobacco and alcohol industries were heavily involved in the past and now gambling companies are involved. Where do we draw the line? If we are going to object to sponsorship by the mining and energy sector, what about the industries, such as the automotive industry, when they are reliant on mining and energy.
Correction - it's not 'mining and energy' at all, it's specifically fossil fuels, and in my view particularly companies that continue to push all sorts of propagandist nonsense to prevent climate action. And where do people draw the line? Where their own ethics tell them to.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Cummins is better, but not by much. Think the margin cummins is currently winning by (20-3) doesn't reflect how gun a test bowler bumrah is. That slower ball yorker to shaun marsh is still stuck in my head.
Yeah expected a tighter battle especially as I feel Bumrah seems more complete as a bowler in terms of arsenal of deliveries. Though as mentioned Cummins is more consistent.
 

Burgey

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Crossovers shouldn't even exist. You get the same seating space as a medium sized sedan but you're in a car that's objectively worse to drive. They only exist because they make you feel like a kid sitting on a stack of chairs. Woo, I'm higher up.

I'll admit I hadn't considered that he might actually use his SUV for utility.
You plainly haven’t driven the 2022 X3 (it’s a hybrid tbf). Two year wait on the fully electric ****er but it looks a treat
 

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