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*Official* England in West Indies 2022

cnerd123

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I get succession planning and wanting to build an attack for the post-Broad/Anderson years, but surely it's better to do that during a home summer than on an overseas tour immediately after that Ashes series. Just reeks of underestimating the West Indies. Hope they get hammered.
 

honestbharani

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It really depends on the why. The statements from Anderson and Broad and the way they were basically undermining Root was not a good look. If they are making it tougher for Root, then as painful as it maybe, the band aid has to be torn off. If it is a succession planning thing, then it makes no sense to pick blokes like Woakes.
 

Xix2565

International Regular
I get succession planning and wanting to build an attack for the post-Broad/Anderson years, but surely it's better to do that during a home summer than on an overseas tour immediately after that Ashes series. Just reeks of underestimating the West Indies. Hope they get hammered.
Their home summer is set up against NZ, 1 Test vs India (as far as I know that hasn't been deleted off the schedule) and SA. I don't think they'll have much luxury there either unless they really rig the pitches which can always backfire since all 3 sides have good bowling lineups and could do well in such conditions.

They lost the last time out in WI with Broad and Anderson, so a hammering isn't really out of the question.
 

grecian

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It really depends on the why. The statements from Anderson and Broad and the way they were basically undermining Root was not a good look. If they are making it tougher for Root, then as painful as it maybe, the band aid has to be torn off. If it is a succession planning thing, then it makes no sense to pick blokes like Woakes.
Root was the one who slagged off the bowlers as his batsmen can't get a bloody run. I really think if this is all to shore up a captain whose part of a selectorial process that has led us to these hideous results as of late, then it's even a worse decision. His decisions are generally drop a spinner anyway, so he presumably isn't disliked much by them, if it was Leach you could understand enmity.

Hopefully it's nothing to do with that, because if Root is being undermined after many years of captaincy, he's not much of a captain. Yet I'm not really sure there's any evidence or even suggestion of that.
 

Xix2565

International Regular
Root was the one who slagged off the bowlers as his batsmen can't get a bloody run.
No one's getting a bloody run unless they get to feast on mediocre bowling like Australia just did in the last Ashes. Does no one realise this at all, that this is not a great time to be a batter against pace bowling especially?
 

grecian

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No one's getting a bloody run unless they get to feast on mediocre bowling like Australia just did in the last Ashes. Does no one realise this at all, that this is not a great time to be a batter against pace bowling especially?
There wasn't much mediocre bowling, hideous fielding though. There's some decent fast bowlers around, and Jimmeh's figures wrack up against all of them over the last few years.
 

Xix2565

International Regular
There wasn't much mediocre bowling, hideous fielding though. There's some decent fast bowlers around, and Jimmeh's figures wrack up against all of them over the last few years.
Letting Australia get past 300 multiple times isn't solely bad fielding. India in 2020/21 had some bad fielding, still managed to keep Australia below 350 all but once. As for Jimmy, his numbers don't really rack up all that well considering only his average and economy are decent.
 

grecian

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Letting Australia get past 300 multiple times isn't solely bad fielding. India in 2020/21 had some bad fielding, still managed to keep Australia below 350 all but once. As for Jimmy, his numbers don't really rack up all that well considering only his average and economy are decent.

It had a lot to do with it, it wasn't just bad it was diabolical. Just the average and economy, oh well I take it back.
 

morgieb

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Yeah I don't get the Anderson + Broad dropping. I guess if we found out more about them being ***** in the dressing room I can see why you'd want to move on. But even then they're still England's best two bowlers.

And if they dropped them here and recalled them for the home summer it would look even more ridiculous. Especially given Woakes is still in the side....
 

Xix2565

International Regular
It had a lot to do with it, it wasn't just bad it was diabolical. Just the average and economy, oh well I take it back.
Still doesn't take away from the general poor bowling, and Jimmy's been part of the problem. Tbf England's had real bad luck keeping bowlers fit that could be strike bowlers so there is some leeway.
 

Pothas

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I get succession planning and wanting to build an attack for the post-Broad/Anderson years, but surely it's better to do that during a home summer than on an overseas tour immediately after that Ashes series. Just reeks of underestimating the West Indies. Hope they get hammered.
Yep. It looks stunningly arrogant. Sure we just lost 4-0 buy we can afford to not play our two best bowlers. England should be playing them both as much as possible until they retire or are not worth a spot.
 

Pothas

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Agree with others that Robinson is extremely lucky.

What exactly has Lees done to be selected?
 

ImpatientLime

International Regular
would challenge robinson to be the attack leader in this series. he is the seamer with the biggest upside by some distance england have.
 

Gremlin

U19 Vice-Captain
I may have missed it, but has any indication been given as to who is first choice keeper?

After that, the biggest issue I see is that there is no No.3 selected in the squad (aside from Crawley but he's bound to open with Lees), so either Root plays there or it's between Pope, Lawrence or Bairstow (batting only mode) - unless Stokes fancies it. None of these options seem right somehow.

As for leaving out Broad and Anderson, they can feel hard done by, however, as others have mentioned, there are suggestions all may have not been happy in the dressing room. I have a gut feeling Woakes and Robinson will bowl well in the WI.

As much as I admire Buttler I'm relieved he's probably finished in Tests, he can focus on being one of the finest ODI players ever. Burns and Hameed needed taking out of the spotlight, I think dropping Malan was a harsh call.

Certainly a chance for some players to shine and make a name for themselves if they are up for it.
 

Pup Clarke

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I think England will go with
Crawley, Lees, Pope, Root, Stokes, Bairstow, Foakes, Robinson, Overton, Leach, Wood for the 1st test

Mahmood and Parkinson will be given a test each at some stage in the series
 

SteveNZ

International Coach
Yeah it shows a totally backwards approach to cricket in that it implies you play Tests to build a good side.

No, you build a good side so you can win Tests. Having a better side is pointless if it's not winning more series.

I'd like to blame a sickly preoccupation with the Ashes but it's probably even shallower than that.
Yeah, it's absolute toss. 'Nothing to learn'? Don't England fans want to see their side win now whilst building to the future? I'm sure they do.

They can't be honest (the selectors), but it's clearly got an association with the fact that Anderson and Broad are a certain sort of personality that rubs Root and other players up the wrong way. And to be fair, if that's true (and it certainly seems to be) then those two only have themselves to blame for being sulky, arrogant pricks at times who 15 years + into their career still haven't bought into the team first ethos.
 

theegyptian

International Vice-Captain
Root is going to bat 3 it appears. Seems he's asked to move to 3. Probably prefers coming in at 10-1 rather than 20-2.

Mahmood I feel like will be test quality in time (if not now) so I'd definitely be giving him some game time.
 

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