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CW's Ranking of Batsmen (Tests)

HookShot

HookShot

U19 Vice-Captain
ataraxia said:
WG should be #2 or not on here at all
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That’s probably a bit harsh. Grace was obviously a great batsman who was well ahead of his contemporaries. Also I don’t think that there is much reason to question his overall technique otherwise bowlers like Wilfred Rhodes would have called him out. But yeah, because some of the evidence is lacking we should put him below a Hammond or a Chappell.

For me, the question is - how would Grace go against a modern bowler like McGrath on a modern pitch with modern equipment? My inituition says, very well.
Of course I can’t prove it absolutely; but if we could prove everything absolutely then there would be no need of of cricket forum like Cricketweb because there would nothing to argue about.
 
ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
CW's general opinion is that there's no "point" (i.e. doesn't come in as a factor in ATG discussions) in actually comparing players from different eras technically. Players should be compared against their contemporaries, otherwise the likes of the three Ws, three Hs, etc. would be totally ignored simply because put into today's game they'd be comparatively trash.

FWIW Rhodes only made his FC debut when Grace was like 50, and had stopped playing properly really (though they did play a test together IIRC)
 
HookShot

HookShot

U19 Vice-Captain
ataraxia said:
CW's general opinion is that there's no "point" (i.e. doesn't come in as a factor in ATG discussions) in actually comparing players from different eras technically. Players should be compared against their contemporaries, otherwise the likes of the three Ws, three Hs, etc. would be totally ignored simply because put into today's game they'd be comparatively trash. FWIW Rhodes only made his FC debut when Grace was like 50, and had stopped playing properly really (though they did play a test together IIRC)
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Yes, WG’s final Test was Wilfred Rhodes’s debut Test.

Incidently, three years earlier WG made a credible 66 against Australia at Lords while opening the innings. What’s interesting is that Richardson and Lohmann had just skittled the Aussies for 53 and Ernie Jones was the opening bowler for Australia on what must have been a lively pitch.

66 runs isn’t bad for a 48 year old if you consider that Ernie Jones was about the same pace as Harold Larwood;

‘Stanley Jackson later compared his bowling style to that of Larwood, especially the moment before delivering the ball when he was high up in the air with the left shoulder well up and pointing towards the wicket. He was also considered to be as fast as Larwood.’

https://www.cricketcountry.com/arti...t-a-ball-through-the-beard-of-wg-grace-194192
 
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gftw

U19 12th Man
Grace - 1
Kallis - 7
Compton - 1
Miandad - 2
Trumper - 1
Weekes - 2
Barrington - 1


The List
1. Don Bradman
2. Jack Hobbs
3. Garry Sobers
4. Sachin Tendulkar
5. Viv Richards
6. Brian Lara
7. Len Hutton
8. Wally Hammond
9. Sunil Gavaskar
10. Steve Smith
11. George Headley
12. Herbert Sutcliffe
13. Greg Chappell
14. Ricky Ponting
15. Graeme Pollock
16. Kumar Sangakkara
17. Allan Border
18. Jacques Kallis

The vote for the #19 test batsman of all-time begins now.
 
ankitj

ankitj

Hall of Fame Member
Kallis has come in a bit too low. I would usually place him above Sangakkara without a 2nd thought.

Steve Waugh for the next spot
 
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