India Doom and Gloom Thread

[subshakerz]

240 was a pretty chasable target, but still shocked by how easily this SA team chased it.

At least when ABDV did the business a few years ago , these things happen as ATG'S do that sort of thing, but the first hour of bowling today was bleak.

It was a difficult pitch. Even when the Indian bowling was off they were still creating chances so SA also needed luck as well as guts to make it over the line. Could easily have been an Indian victory.

 

[centurymaker]

It was a difficult pitch. Even when the Indian bowling was off they were still creating chances so SA also needed luck as well as guts to make it over the line. Could easily have been an Indian victory.

Van Dussen edged Ashwin to leg-slip in his first few balls. The ball fell inches short of Pujara’s hands. (A better fielder would have caught that)
That was the turning point. Petersen had just got out to Ashwin to make it 93/2 and it almost turned into 93/3.. game on. So yes these kind of bowling friendly games have more luck involved, as some guy may keep playing and missing and just surviving and another may edge very early on. This is very much like Dust Bowls in India.

I feel SA can beat India even on a normal pitch where par score is 350+. Their batting is much better than expected. And now that SA are level in the series, they may even prepare a good wicket and we may indeed see scores of 350+. Let’s see. Because they don’t have to totally risk losing in order to win anymore. Just have a normal bouncy pitch and attack the indian batsmen with pace, bounce and short-pitch bowling.

 

[subshakerz]

Van Dussen edged Ashwin to leg-slip in his first few balls. The ball fell inches short of Pujara’s hands. (A better fielder would have caught that)
That was the turning point. Petersen had just got out to Ashwin to make it 93/2 and it almost turned into 93/3.. game on. So yes these kind of bowling friendly games have more luck involved, as some guy may keep playing and missing and just surviving and another may edge very early on. This is very much like Dust Bowls in India.

I feel SA can beat India even on a normal pitch where par score is 350+. Their batting is much better than expected. And now that SA are level in the series, they may even prepare a good wicket and we may indeed see scores of 350+. Let’s see. Because they don’t have to totally risk losing in order to win anymore. Just have a normal bouncy pitch and attack the indian batsmen with pace, bounce and short-pitch bowling.

They punched above their weight in this innings but overall their batting lineup is still raw. Honestly if they cross 300 next test would be a really good show. But I can easily see them being bundled up for less than 200 again.

 

[cnerd123]

Bit premature to dig this up after losing one test to SA in SA

Wasn't even a bad loss. SA played well and we were down a bowler. Plus new coach/captain combo.

 

[silentstriker]

Our senior players are getting older. Ashwin is 35 already. Jadeja has been injury prone. Senior batsman like Rohit, Kohli, Pujara, Rahane etc. are getting older and have probably only couple of good years left.

This team will enter into transition phase sooner than we realize at the moment. So, yes there will be some true doom and gloom along the way. Hopefully it will be transient.

the batting sucks anyway and spinners can play for longer. So hopefully it won’t be a huge dip when the batsmen retire.

 

[honestbharani]

As far as this series itself goes, I think we were always expecting our bowling to carry us given we were refusing to move on from Purane. Its amazing how similar this series has been to the 2006 series where Dravid and Sachin batted like ghosts of themselves and were criticized even by the mildest of critics and regular yes-men in the media. I think whoever did bat for us did not apply themselves to the levels they did against Australia in Australia or even against England in England. Daemon pointed out the 2nd half of our 2nd innings at Jo'burg is where it all started to unravel and I agree. Our 3rd innings batting in both tests had a lot of air of "200 is enough" and they just did not want it as badly as they did in Australia. But all that said, given that the batting was expected to be weak, I think the loss of Siraj is what hit us hard. Playing with basically 10 players, and still expecting to defend 240 there at Joburg was not a great effort and somehow the old crappy 2 4s an over nostrils turned up here at Cape Town instead of the new and improved we have seen since the pandemic.

I hope Ishant can find his best form somehow as I feel he still adds a point of difference to our attack that others do not. An attack of Ishant, Bumrah, Siraj and Shardul seems ideal for most conditions in SENA. Ishant has always made a difference in swinging tracks, so I hope he is back in some sort of form for the England test. In the shorter term, it puts a lot of pressure on us for the WTC and we will need to win a lot of games. Hopefully it sees the return of the committed and disciplined sides we saw in England and Australia and not the ones who seemed to be looking to finish games in a hurry that we saw here.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Batsmen with a better average than Kohli, Pujara and Rahane since 2020:
Buttler
Bairstow
Pope
Sibley
Crawley

Better than Pujara and Rahane but not better than Kohli (marginally):
Burns

This is the bottom of the table since 2020 with minimum 500 runs.

 

[ankitj]

Disgusting how batting keeps letting down our gold class bowling. How do the batters look at bowlers in the eye in dressing room?

 

[_00_deathscar]

Disgusting how batting keeps letting down our gold class bowling. How do the batters look at bowlers in the eye in dressing room?

Apart from the openers occasionally firing and generally doing a fair job, the only reason we've won most of the games we have is because the bowlers (and Pant) batted well too.

 

[Apex Predator]

Also we probably need 1 left hander in middle order to keep that left right combo going. Perhaps time has come to start grooming Sundar. He showed enough in Australia & then at home vs England that he is better than many Indian batsmen already. Offers a bowling option & allows to play an extra batsman overseas.

We haven't produced many great left handed middle order batsmen though. Yuvi Raina were major flops in test arena.. Yet gun players in LOIs. Sundar the batsman so far hasn't impressed in LOIs but probably he is the one who will turn the tide & reverse the cycle.

 

[OverratedSanity]

At least when ABDV did the business a few years ago , these things happen as ATG'S do that sort of thing, but the first hour of bowling today was bleak.

The AB thing for 2018 also comes off as a minor excuse cooked up to justify the loss to me quite honestly. He pulled off two very exceptional knocks at crucial times but basically everyone from Faf to Amla to Elgar and especially Markram got important runs at some point. SA just manage to have multiple guys contribute scores somehow. Unlike India who have made a habit of having one guy making a big score surrounded by virtually nothing. Like Pandya's 90 odd last tour, Kohli's amazing 150, Pant's 100. All those games needed one other guy making a contribution and we'd have won.

SA's wins vs India arent like the random jammy Sam curran innings in England which ****ed us over is what I'm saying. They've had several guys contribute and we often haven't.

 

[h_hurricane]

Our batting is at an all time low. However, it shouldn't escape that our fielding is arguably at an all time low as well. Watching some of our fielders chase the ball to boundary is embarrassing. And some of our slip fielders are geriatric. Can't even bend properly to be in a good squat position ffs. No wonder the catches are dropping short.

 

[cricketsavant]

Disgusting how batting keeps letting down our gold class bowling. How do the batters look at bowlers in the eye in dressing room?

This is the problem with Indian cheerleaders and the team just can not develop if this is "gold class" bowling. This supposed all time great bowling unit, which was being compared to all the great attacks of the past, does not have a single bowler in the top 3 wicket takers. The spinner, who averages ridiculously low in Asia has averaged over 60...and yet again has taken barely any wickets. He has learned nothing in 10 years because he does not need, to can just whinge about "country against us".

Look at the supposed greatest of all time fast bowlers, they just got out bowled by a man on his debut series.

Just because India won against an extremely weak Aus side in a country where pitches are quite flat doesn't mean they are greatest of all time, ditto England.

 

[h_hurricane]

This is the problem with Indian cheerleaders and the team just can not develop if this is "gold class" bowling. This supposed all time great bowling unit, which was being compared to all the great attacks of the past, does not have a single bowler in the top 3 wicket takers. The spinner, who averages ridiculously low in Asia has averaged over 60...and yet again has taken barely any wickets. He has learned nothing in 10 years because he does not need, to can just whinge about "country against us".

Look at the supposed greatest of all time fast bowlers, they just got out bowled by a man on his debut series.

Just because India won against an extremely weak Aus side in a country where pitches are quite flat doesn't mean they are greatest of all time, ditto England.

Ankit did not say anything about Indian quicks being "greatest of all time" lol. Where did this come from ?

This is a bowling attack to savor though. It is India's best ever, something which isn't really arguable. They can be improved certainly.

 

[sunilz]

This is the problem with Indian cheerleaders and the team just can not develop if this is "gold class" bowling. This supposed all time great bowling unit, which was being compared to all the great attacks of the past, does not have a single bowler in the top 3 wicket takers. The spinner, who averages ridiculously low in Asia has averaged over 60...and yet again has taken barely any wickets. He has learned nothing in 10 years because he does not need, to can just whinge about "country against us".

Look at the supposed greatest of all time fast bowlers, they just got out bowled by a man on his debut series.

Just because India won against an extremely weak Aus side in a country where pitches are quite flat doesn't mean they are greatest of all time, ditto England.

When was last time Pak drew a Test in AUS ?
When was last time Pak drew a Test in SA ?

Rishabh Pant has more Test century in AUS and SA than so called great player of pace bowling Inzamam ul Haq

Ashwin is 100 times better spinner than that garbage leg spinner Abdul Qadir who averages 55 outside Asia and Pakistani consider better than Warne.

Now GTFO from this thread

 

[sunilz]

Imagine being mocked by Pakis who have never won a Test series in AUS / SA in their cricket history and couldn't even beat WI few months.

Had it not been Gabriel's brainfart Pak would have never won a test series in WI in cricket history

 

[sunilz]

Ankit did not say anything about Indian quicks being "greatest of all time" lol. Where did this come from ?

This is a bowling attack to savor though. It is India's best ever, something which isn't really arguable. They can be improved certainly.

The joker also considers Inzamam and Anwar as great players of fast bowling .
Pant has more century in AUS and SA than Inzamam ?
Anwar averages 20 against SA and WI ?

 

[honestbharani]

The joker also considers Inzamam and Anwar as great players of fast bowling .
Pant has more century in AUS and SA than Inzamam ?

So I am guessing cricketsavant is listentome

 

[ankitj]

This is the problem with Indian cheerleaders and the team just can not develop if this is "gold class" bowling. This supposed all time great bowling unit, which was being compared to all the great attacks of the past, does not have a single bowler in the top 3 wicket takers. The spinner, who averages ridiculously low in Asia has averaged over 60...and yet again has taken barely any wickets. He has learned nothing in 10 years because he does not need, to can just whinge about "country against us".

Look at the supposed greatest of all time fast bowlers, they just got out bowled by a man on his debut series.

Just because India won against an extremely weak Aus side in a country where pitches are quite flat doesn't mean they are greatest of all time, ditto England.

We come to CW to escape exactly this kind of trash. ?

 

[sunilz]

So I am guessing cricketsavant is listentome

Imagine having the courage to mock India's Test victory in AUS where you haven't drawn test in 25 years.

Your fast trio of Wasim/Waqar/Imran could never win you Test series in AUS /SA/WI and you had to depend on Gabriel's brain fart to win your only Test series in WI in cricket history