Is Ashwin an ATG spinner / player?

[subshakerz]

Lillee, Hadlee and Murali are the only ones with that kind of a record, apart from Ashwin. Hadlee was the only one who could bat at the same level as Ashwin.
Ravichandran Ashwin is a one off in history. Lets celebrate him here a lot more than we are doing now.

He is around Shaun Pollock-level as an all-rounder really. Which is still very good.

 

[subshakerz]

Yea but he averages 30+

Sure but Shah is proof that a high WPM doesnt make you an ATG. Same with Ashwin.

 

[ma1978]

Shaun Pollock is arguably an inner circle ATG

one of the most valuable cricketers to ever play the game

ashwin is up there but not pollock levels yet

 

[subshakerz]

Shaun Pollock is arguably an inner circle ATG

one of the most valuable cricketers to ever play the game

ashwin is up there but not pollock levels yet

You're right, Pollock is better.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Sure but Shah is proof that a high WPM doesnt make you an ATG. Same with Ashwin.

Well, no, but there’s a 5+ difference in their averages. That’s like comparing Gough and Pollock just cos they have similar WPMs.

 

[subshakerz]

Well, no, but there’s a 5+ difference in their averages. That’s like comparing Gough and Pollock just cos they have similar WPMs.

It is in response to the below.

Is there any other bowler who has taken say 200+ wickets at >5 wpm who isn't considered ATG?

Grimmet is generally considered ATG. Is Ashwin as bowler at his level?

 

[_00_deathscar]

It is in response to the below.

I would assume he meant at something resembling ATG averages…

Yasir is a unique case in that regard.

But there is a base filter - that you need to have an overall average at least approaching ATG levels.

The best argument for Ashwin not being an ATG is indeed asking if one thinks Philander is.
Having said that, I think Ashwin > Philander so…

 

[Shri]

Sure but Shah is proof that a high WPM doesnt make you an ATG. Same with Ashwin.

Behenchod you are a moron

 

[honestbharani]

It is in response to the below.

Yes, and it is still stupid coz @ankitj did not say disregard averages.

 

[subshakerz]

Behenchod you are a moron

Sorry I take it back, didnt realize Ashwin was your close relative.

 

[ataraxia]

Anyone with 200+ wickets and >5WPM, including Yasir, has an average approaching ATG standards.

 

[subshakerz]

The best argument for Ashwin not being an ATG is indeed asking if one thinks Philander is.
Having said that, I think Ashwin > Philander so…

Well, thats the thing, it wouldnt matter if Philander had 300 or 400 wickets and kept his even more impressive home record, the question of him being an ATG bowler wouldnt enter the picture. He will always be seen as a green track bully.

 

[karan_fromthestands]

Well, thats the thing, it wouldnt matter if Philander had 300 or 400 wickets and kept his even more impressive home record, the question of him being an ATG bowler wouldnt enter the picture. He will always be seen as a green track bully.

Nope

 

[flibbertyjibber]

He tricked Paine into sledging him about going to Brisbane. Ashwin pretty much won the Gabba test single-handedly without even playing.

I like the fact that he got the better of Paine being a dick and Paine's career ended because of his dick.

 

[sunilz]

Ashwin has more claim to be ATG player than ATG bowler

 

[Coronis]

Well, thats the thing, it wouldnt matter if Philander had 300 or 400 wickets and kept his even more impressive home record, the question of him being an ATG bowler wouldnt enter the picture. He will always be seen as a green track bully.

Like how Ashwin is still an SC bully?

 

[_00_deathscar]

If Lyon were a home bully Australia would have won the last series vs India.

Ashwin (and Jadeja and now Axar) are basically a guaranteed home win.

 

[ankitj]

How do we think of Fred Trueman? Also has disparity in his record and played >2/3rd tests at home.

 

[h_hurricane]

Lyon is on 399 for almost a year now

 

[h_hurricane]

How do we think of Fred Trueman? Also has disparity in his record and played >2/3rd tests at home.

Doesn't matter as he isn't from the sub continent. Also ain't a finger spinner.