honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
So by that reasoning, Imran wont be an ATG.
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Is Ashwin an ATG spinner / player?
- Thread starter ma1978
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I think Kumble's a perfect candidate for the underrated thread, considering Warne/Murali love.
Gob
International Coach
Did you see their bowling attack for the final test?
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
The point is that Warne's greatness as a bowler was that he was seen as capable of quality performances in most if not all conditions. Dropping an ATG bowler unless unfit or old is not really a thing.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
He would merit consideration if not selection as a bowler alone, but definitely as a bowling allrounder.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Ashwin is part of a more hyped team honestly.
We have a pretty good pace attack and Kohli loves pace. This isn't exactly a damning indictment of Ashwin's reputation and I'm not sure why it should be when the likes of Ishant/Shami/Bumrah/Umesh/Bhuvi/Siraj have been great for us as well in the last few years along with Ashwin and Jadeja.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Lol.. Sobers is a better batsman, Gilchrist is a better 7 and Hadlee/Davidson are better bowlers. Imran wont make the XI.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
If Kohli thought Ashwin was capable of winning him matches in England he would have picked him. Though even for me I would play Ashwin over Jadeja.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
For you, maybe. But he would still be in the shortlist, which was my point.
LOL at Davidson.
Kohli can make debatable decisions you know. I'm pretty sure people were questioning his choices throughout that series despite us being 2-1 in the lead at the end of that.
_00_deathscar
International Regular
Glad we agree Ashwin counts as an ATG then
_00_deathscar
International Regular
Have you seen our batting lineup? And we won with Jadeja. We won because our pace attack is awesome.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Nah. You said Ash is not an ATG coz 2 players were better than him. I just listed three who are better than Imran. 4 if you include Kallis.
And if Virat is the judge of ATG, I am sure he considers Ashwin ATG. He has actually already said that.
OverratedSanity
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You cant be fat and be an ATG bowler
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Ashwin has had at least 2-3 opportunities when the away match was set up for him to rip through the opposition on 4th or 5th day and he didnt deliver. So I cant blame Kohli for thinking Ashwins bowling may not be as critical as it would if he were really ATG level.
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
Ashwin is in many ways the Waqar Younis of spin bowling, or here or thereabouts. Waqar had an unreal strike rate for a quick bowler for his era and could be unstoppable in some conditions. Same goes for Ashwin, great strike rate for a spinner and could run through lineups in favorable conditions.
Both have similar holes in their career. Waqar couldn't get it right in Australia or India. Ashwin hasn't in South Africa but has put up good performances in Australia though his overall record there is not that good. He could improve them though, given chances.
Ashwin certainly is a better cricketer than Waqar, given he could bat really well and could make significant series changing contributions. And that makes him an ATG cricketer imo, though it is arguable if he is an ATG spinner.
Both have similar holes in their career. Waqar couldn't get it right in Australia or India. Ashwin hasn't in South Africa but has put up good performances in Australia though his overall record there is not that good. He could improve them though, given chances.
Ashwin certainly is a better cricketer than Waqar, given he could bat really well and could make significant series changing contributions. And that makes him an ATG cricketer imo, though it is arguable if he is an ATG spinner.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Better argument than subshakerz.