***Official New Zealand in India Nov-Dec 2021 Thread***

[straw man]

Disappointing part there is it's been the more recent overseas tours where he's done less well, while he was much more productive overseas between ~2013 to 2016.

NZ didn't play an overseas test from Nov 2016 to Nov 2018 and since resumption Kane's had one good tour (v Pakistan in UAE) and the rest not good, excepting the WTC final.

 

[Hurricane2]

Hopefully we won't need to test that depth for quite some time anyway - after Taylor retires we have six good batsman with long careers ahead (Conway, Latham, Williamson, Young, Nicholls, Ravindra) with Phillips as reserve if someone like Nicholls falls off, plus Mitchell as batting allrounder and three wicketkeepers that can bat.

Agree with Flem (iirc) that there's a 40+ average in Phillips somewhere, though feel he's gone sideways the last couple of seasons. He's only 25 so plenty of time to learn as long as he keeps playing FC cricket. Agree with Moss he didn't look like scoring runs against India's spinners in turning conditions - would be better eased into the side at 5 or 6 at home if there's a spare place.

Let’s get this whole website on the Henry Cooper train
He should be on your test candidate list well well ahead of both Mitchell and Phillips

 

[Hurricane2]

I will make a post later tonight on my ranking of other fc prospects

 

[Chewie]

@Prince EWS and I have been on the Cooper train for a couple of years

 

[_Ed_]

After no-result in Kanpur, rank turner set to be rolled out at the Wankhede

“The pitch will help the spinners from day one,” a Mumbai Cricket Association (MCA) source told The Indian Express. “We are preparing the pitch looking at the home team’s strength.”

indianexpress.com

 

[Prince EWS]

After no-result in Kanpur, rank turner set to be rolled out at the Wankhede

“The pitch will help the spinners from day one,” a Mumbai Cricket Association (MCA) source told The Indian Express. “We are preparing the pitch looking at the home team’s strength.”

indianexpress.com

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Sandpit.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I dont like it, but we can atleast blame the toss for our defeat when Kohli calls it wrong.

 

[NZTailender]

Let’s get this whole website on the Henry Cooper train
He should be on your test candidate list well well ahead of both Mitchell and Phillips

I was going to say the Carters are 'up and comers' but are 28 and 26.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Wait are we all supposed to worship Pant now? I wouldn't actually say he's 'bad' because you can't deny some of the contributions he's made.....but his batting is completely repugnant, so it makes sense for most sane fans to dislike him right?

You can dislike him all you want. The take was that he wasn’t a big miss for India.

In India.

With 3 very average spinners bowling.

 

[Nintendo]

You can dislike him all you want. The take was that he wasn’t a big miss for India.

In India.

With 3 very average spinners bowling.

Yeah pant would have absolutely torn somerville/ajaz apart. If he can do it to leach/lyon then he can do it to them.

 

[Hurricane2]

@Prince EWS and I have been on the Cooper train for a couple of years

Good men.

 

[Zinzan]

I dont like it, but we can atleast blame the toss for our defeat when Kohli calls it wrong.

It should be against the law for India to win 2 tosses in a row in a 2 test series at home.

 

[Immenso]

Surely there's a different thread for all that nz domestix and prospects talk.

Never thought I'd read a post about Bay Of Plenty cricket Taylor Bettenheim on an NZ v India thread.

 

[Zinzan]

Is this the worst post in CW history?

Lol, really? Me saying Pant is a bit overrated -which he is, and a bit of a predetermined slogger -which it would be weird to deny since I've seen him play a number of predetermined slogs translates to the worst post in CW history? Rightio.... jeez Imagine if I said I didn't think he wasn't very good at all.

 

[Moss]

After no-result in Kanpur, rank turner set to be rolled out at the Wankhede

“The pitch will help the spinners from day one,” a Mumbai Cricket Association (MCA) source told The Indian Express. “We are preparing the pitch looking at the home team’s strength.”

indianexpress.com

Did have a feeling from a NZ POV as the test went on, that Kanpur was where Wagner was needed but Mumbai will likely call for 2 specialist spinners. Very tough decisions likely coming up for the NZ think tank. Don't think they can afford to deviate from the top 7 as it sounds like they'll need all the batting they can get (and no that should not mean Santner should come into the side).

 

[Hurricane2]

Batting and Keeping Provincial prospects Tests
Knocking on the door
Cleaver, Cooper both unlucky to be playing at a time when NZ is stacked.

24 months horizon if they take it up a level (Competent professionals somewhere on the radar)
McClure, Chapman, Phillips et al

36 - 48 month horizon if they work hard on their games
Finn Allen - needs to tighten up outside off stump then will go great guns
Max Chu (Plucky Kid)
Nathan Smith if he does a James Franklin and becomes a batsman. This character has the ***iest cricket technique on the planet.

The Ship has sailed
Tom Bruce
Rutherford
Cole McConchie
Brad Schmulian

Not if they were the last cricketer left on earth
Dale Phillips

*Analysis excludes people vying for the all rounder position such as Mitchell

 

[Zinzan]

Did have a feeling from a NZ POV as the test went on, that Kanpur was where Wagner was needed but Mumbai will likely call for 2 specialist spinners. Very tough decisions likely coming up for the NZ think tank. Don't think they can afford to deviate from the top 7 as it sounds like they'll need all the batting they can get (and no that should not mean Santner should come into the side).

We need Southee, Jamieson & Wagner regardless since they're our 3 best bowlers. But to lessen that headache, I'd play either Phillips for Nicholls (with Rachin batting at 5, and Phillips at 6), and those two can being supporting spin options to Patel... but the more I think about that predicament of a rank turner in Mumbai, I'd probably go with ....

Latham
Young
KW
Taylor
Rachin
Blundell
Santner
Jamieson
Wagner
Southee
Patel

As much as I don't rate Santner as a Test spinner, he did actually bowl quite well in the last Test series in India IIRC.

Batting is slightly weaker, but this gives us 3 pacers and 3 spinners (or 2/5 if you count Rachin)...

 

[Hurricane2]

We need Southee, Jamieson & Wagner regardless since they're our 3 best bowlers. But to lessen that headache, I'd play either Phillips for Nicholls (with Rachin batting at 5, and Phillips at 6), and those two can being supporting spin options to Patel... but the more I think about that predicament of a rank turner in Mumbai, I'd probably go with ....

Latham
Young
KW
Taylor
Rachin
Blundell
Santner
Jamieson
Wagner
Southee
Patel

As much as I don't rate Santner as a Test spinner, he did actually bowl quite well in the last Test series in India IIRC.

Batting is slightly weaker, but this gives us 3 pacers and 3 spinners (or 2/5 if you count Rachin)...

Too many SLAs.
I more liked your first instinct of Phillips as an extra bowling option to give the off spin option
Here are some funny stats for the day
Glenn Phillips 26 FC wickets at 41
Mitchell Santner 84 FC wickets at 47

 

[h_hurricane]

It should be against the law for India to win 2 tosses in a row in a 2 test series at home.

Much like NZ winning 3 tosses in a row against India (twice at home and once in WTC final) should be outlawed as well.

 

[Days of Grace]

Three left arm spinners though…