flibbertyjibber
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No but it gives the racists the chance to be the arses they are by going for a pile on about Rafiq now. You know it is coming and it will justify the abuse he got in their eyes.
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*Official* Yorkshire CCC racism crisis thread
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wpdavid
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I'm especially looking forward to Andrew 'Yid' Gale contributing to this discussion.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I always got the feeling Rafeeq would have made mistakes and had some issues on his side as well. Having said that, we need to keep in mind a couple of things. One - Did the racist bullying play a part in some of the mistakes Rafeeq has apparently made in his life (the alleged bullying of the academy etc.). And Two - if you had to go all the way back to when he was 19 to find some dirt on him, he is already doing pretty well as a grown up IMO. And he has come out and unreservedly apologized for what he said. That is still better than everyone named in his witness speech seems to have done.
I hope this does not take the attention away from the very real issues and questions that have come out from his testimony.
I hope this does not take the attention away from the very real issues and questions that have come out from his testimony.
Oh 100%. Of course it is coming.
Real 5 year old kid stuff - oh but he started it/he was doing it as well/it's not just me etc over proper responsibility. Honestly. I teach my Year 2 daughter better than that.
We've all made mistakes. I've got no doubt there would be something on my social media timeline from 10-12 years ago that would be worthy of a headline (to the media, anyway) if I was in the spotlight.
It reflects much better on Rafeeq that he's owned it straight away. There's not much anyone can say to it once he's owned it and said yep I made a mistake. It's actually pathetic when people try to wiggle out of it, give the 'yeah sorry BUT' etc. Of course the inherent racists will try and downplay his experience based on this 'dirt' but as I said before, it doesn't change a thing.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
I mean it's a thread about a bunch of racists so easy mistake to make.For some reason I always read the thread title as "cricsim" thread
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I'm just going to say something to defend CricSim, or at least try and rationalise my own participation there.
Firstly, the Cribbtopia of CricSim was that you could say what you liked and you could get called out for it. Yep, there was overt, disgraceful racism on there, but firstly, that meant you knew the sort of people you were dealing with and secondly, you could call them out for it. I think this thread, and some of the comments from people like Teja and Shri have shown me that being able to respond isn't good enough - and the harm that can still be done by that - but personally I would rather know of an interlocutor's bigotry than set up an environment where people don't say what they really feel and they're just as racist, but you just don't know it.
Then let's just put that in the perspective of CricketWeb. There's much less overt racism, but let's not pretend that hasn't been present on here in the past. And on CricketWeb, if you respond in too bolshy a way then you [were] likely to be the person to get warned or infracted. It's a much more subtle form of racism we've seen on here because the overt stuff gets dealt with immediately. But that insidious, subtle stuff has been allowed to fester and, I suspect, caused as much harm as the bullshit on CricSim. I mean, I've basically been told not to worry my pretty little head about it when I've raised these issues in the past.
But I will apologise for my part in enabling an unsafe environment for people on CricSim - I can't pretend that I wasn't a significant part of the environment there. I honestly thought openness and the opportunity to openly debate with these bigots without prejudice was better, but the intervening years and some of the posting here tells me that wasn't the case.
smash84
The Tiger King
I always thought Cricsim was such a cesspool, interesting perspective from you that I never thought of.
Athlai
Not Terrible
I mean it was a cesspool but the swamp monsters all wore their true colours
RossTaylorsBox
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Love to have a robust debate about how blacks are genetically inferior with the guy with an avatar of slaves while his mates egg him on
nightprowler10
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I guess good on you guys for being able to wade through that filth but I found it extremely nauseating and disturbing. For me personally, these are forums for discussing cricket and shooting ****, nobody here has such a deep impact on my life that I actually care if they are really truly racists or not. None of you are my manager, approving loans for me, or passing judgement on me if I go to court. I don't come online to find out people's true colors. Are you a racist POS? Keep it under wraps for all I care I don't wanna read that **** and be reminded of past abuses. I will assume you're not a racist until you prove to me otherwise. It's not the first time I've seen defense of places like that and I'll never see value in it, given enough time it'll just become breeding grounds for racist attitudes and that kind of freedom can easily create opportunity for redpilling and such.
On the CW moderation, no secret that we've made bad decisions and been too passive in the past, but I think we've come a long way. We have ways to go I'm sure, but you can't convince me that the subtle **** that's been tolerated here at times is worse than the absolute pits Cricsim was.
I don't understand how anyone can be bothered by what we have here but be able to stomach the kind of **** discussed at Cricsim. I couldn't even scroll past it without feeling sick.
On the CW moderation, no secret that we've made bad decisions and been too passive in the past, but I think we've come a long way. We have ways to go I'm sure, but you can't convince me that the subtle **** that's been tolerated here at times is worse than the absolute pits Cricsim was.
I don't understand how anyone can be bothered by what we have here but be able to stomach the kind of **** discussed at Cricsim. I couldn't even scroll past it without feeling sick.
flibbertyjibber
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Alex Hales in blackface storm in the redtop nobody likes.
This is going to run and run.
This is going to run and run.
Line and Length
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There are two issues re racism and the YCCC.
The first is that, looking at the evidence, there has been and still is a culture of racism supposedly disguised as humour or banter. Much of this supposed humour is at such a pathetically low level it is hard to understand how others found the jibes remotely funny. There is also evidence of a degree of racial discrimination in the treatment of certain players by senior staff.
The second issue, and one which might apply to Joe Root and others, is the apparent blind-eye turned on these acts. Silence can be regarded as acceptance or even approval. The quote, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing” is definitely appropriate here.
In closing, I can only add that some of the comments/insults/attempted humour thrown around in this thread are of the same low level as the supposed banter thrown around by the perpetrators at the YCCC.
The first is that, looking at the evidence, there has been and still is a culture of racism supposedly disguised as humour or banter. Much of this supposed humour is at such a pathetically low level it is hard to understand how others found the jibes remotely funny. There is also evidence of a degree of racial discrimination in the treatment of certain players by senior staff.
The second issue, and one which might apply to Joe Root and others, is the apparent blind-eye turned on these acts. Silence can be regarded as acceptance or even approval. The quote, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing” is definitely appropriate here.
In closing, I can only add that some of the comments/insults/attempted humour thrown around in this thread are of the same low level as the supposed banter thrown around by the perpetrators at the YCCC.
Nintendo
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/8906fa96-f422-43ee-9ef0-4155e3bdf360.jpg Alex Hale's in blackface.
Line and Length
Cricketer Of The Year
He spent too much time watching The Black and White Minstrel Show ..... Wait - that can't be right. The BBC ceased airing that back in 1978 for obvious reasons.
nightprowler10
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This is not to say we haven't had some howlers here, I just didn't get into it as I've said quite a bit on this in site discussion threads. Goes without saying that the blocky and Watson situations were poorly handled to say the least, and we've had other misses as well.