ankitj
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India has toured Australia 6 times in last 20 years alone!
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2nd greatest living cricketer
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Fuller Pilch
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honestbharani
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Also match winning knock at Lords. Better than SAchin and Lara.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Kapil WAG.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
On topic, I see a pattern of most folks rating batting allrounders > bowling allrounders. To me, Sobers > Imran but not by the huge amounts some seem to think here. Imran is absolute elite as a fast bowler alone and is a very good batsman on top of that.
subshakerz
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Hadlee had an off series by his standards against the best team in their homeyard, somewhat similar to Murali's not really doing well in Australia with limited chances. A minor blemish but enough for me to put McGrath in front of him.
trundler
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Criticising Imran's away average of 25 would be somewhat logical if he didn't have big hauls and sneaked away with a decent average taking 2/50 type figures at a low WPM. It's the exact opposite of that and if anything his stats are nerfed by an early no rounder phase where he played a lot of series away AND the batting all rounder years. The numbers don't flatter him by any stretch of the imagination. Guy took a ten fer in WI, England and Australia ffs. My braincells are still reeling from the Wasim got better because of fixers dropping dollies hot takes so I'll avoid getting into accounting for different phases of his career but CW doesn't treat him as a 37 average batsman so it's pretty stupid to count years 17-20 of his career in his away record when he wasn't a frontline bowler anymore too.
ankitj
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Because McGrath had a great series against a similarly strong team ... ?
subshakerz
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No ATG team, but India and South Africa were reasonably strong batting lineups and he did well in both countries. Like Marshall, he cant be faulted for not facing his own team.
Daemon
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Not true.
Bowling averages during:
Hadlee's career - 31.82
Marshall's career - 32.10
McGrath's career - 31.39
Burgey
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Dunno where you got your numbers from. Correct figures are:
Hadlee - 26.24
Marshall - 21.36
McGrath - 58.38
subshakerz
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Yeah its strange seeing those give leeway to Sobers for taking time for his bowling to get in gear while not taking Imran's formative years in account.
I argue that anyone who can average 35 plus, not outs notwithstanding, in the 1980s is a decent batsman in any era.
subshakerz
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Doing well against NZ in NZ isn't as significant as doing well against WI in WI in the 80s.
It does matter because when comparing ATGs like McGrath and Hadlee, because Hadlee may be slightly less an all-conditions bowler based on not checking the WI box.
_00_deathscar
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Angus Fraser and Craig McDermott GOATS confirmed
ankitj
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Kapil Dev > Imran Khan too. Some folks here will be delighted to find out.
