2nd greatest living cricketer

[subshakerz]

Home pitches in the Caribbean were flat as hell, so did make sense. Plus everyone who saw him said he was the best since Bradman, but have at it.

I was asked a question and I gave my honest response, you don't have to agree, and I said that most don't. But everyone one knew about the Pakistan umpires, most just choose to forget or ignore.

If as a bowler in that era and you averaged less in those conditions than even in England, something doesn't add up. My response was neither malicious nor petty... I'll say no more.

You do realize that nearly every major pacer from the subcontinent, including Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Vaas, Srinath, and Kapil, averaged better at home than away? Kapil and Srinath had even bigger average differences than Imran. Were they also cheats?

Its not like Imran failed in England and succeeded in Pakistan. He was terrific in England and exceptional in Pakistan.

If you wish to remove Imran from contention for especially benefiting from biased home umpiring and ball tampering which were the norms of his era, then to be consistent you would have to penalize Marshall, Hadlee and others who also almost certainly benefitted. Otherwise it just seems like you have an irrational beef with Imran.

 

[Burgey]

Burgey how do you reckon he'll celebrate his dayboo ton

Hopefully long and hard at Cooper's Brewery.

 

[sunilz]

@OverratedSanity
How many players have better overseas average than Sobers during his time ? That would give a more clear indicator

 

[ataraxia]

@OverratedSanity
How many players have better overseas average than Sobers during his time ? That would give a more clear indicator

Barrington (69.18)

 

[Teja.]

Kane Williamson - difference of 20
Virat Kohli - difference of 21

Yeah, a lot of us don't really rate Kohli that high as even having potential to be one of the greatest. If everything goes right from now in his career, maybe he'll be a low level/borderline ATG like Ponting.

 

[Teja.]

@OverratedSanity
How many players have better overseas average than Sobers during his time ? That would give a more clear indicator

He was being facetious to expose the failure of logic regarding the Imran critique.

 

[Burgey]

Wait, people are saying Sobers should be marked down because he averaged 50 away from home?

Tough room.

 

[Teja.]

Wait, people are saying Sobers should be marked down because he averaged 50 away from home?

Tough room.

It was a copypasta regarding a critique of Imran's bowling averages of 19 at home and 25 away with Sobers batting stats used instead to show how dire the original logic was.

 

[trundler]

Wait, people are saying Sobers should be marked down because he averaged 50 away from home?

Tough room.

Tell that to the bloke who thinks Imran should be marked down for averaging 25 away from home.

 

[Burgey]

Tell that to the bloke who thinks Imran should be marked down for averaging 25 away from home.

25 is pretty mediocre for an atg allrounder tbh. You'd want to be up around 30 odd across the board really.

 

[trundler]

25 is pretty mediocre for an atg allrounder tbh. You'd want to be up around 30 odd across the board really.

With the ball though.

 

[Burgey]

25 is fine. When you consider he couldn't carry a bottle top on the park while playing away, it's exceptional.

 

[ankitj]

where's the random #11 who averages 5 with bat and is a meh bowler? the Adcock, the Bumrah?

Hey Bumrah is our GOAT, ok

 

[ankitj]

Bowlers in West Indies during their 20 year dominance:



Imran Khan sux? ?

 

[ankitj]

Why did Hadlee play just one series in West Indies? This sucks.

 

[vcs]

Bowlers in West Indies during their 20 year dominance:

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Imran Khan sux? ?

That's a fabulous record, great WPM and SR.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Why did Hadlee play just one series in West Indies? This sucks.

Minnow basher srs

 

[trundler]

Averaged 25 so doesn't count

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Why did Hadlee play just one series in West Indies? This sucks.

NZ have only had 6 test tours of the Windies:

1972, 1984, 1995, 2002, 2012, 2014
Draw, loss, loss, win, loss, win

 

[Fuller Pilch]

NZ have only had 6 test tours of the Windies

1972, 1984, 1995, 2002, 2012, 2014

I remember being so disillusioned with our team when we got thrashed over there in 2012 with what on paper was a very talented team (nucleus of current team). The win in 2014 was great and the proof that Kane was the real deal.