***2021 Australian Domestic off season thread***

[TheJediBrah]

Time to start asking the question as to whether it's an effect of AFL taking all the tall guys who would be good pace bowlers.

I think this has been a worry for longer than either of us have been alive, not something that's just coming to light now

 

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Bartlett

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[Nintendo]

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/thr...l-be-accepted-again.85093/page-4#post-4639591 Looking at this thread had me thinking, has joe burns been hard done by? His test career started in 2014-15, the era that the OP noted as the real start of the batting average decline, and burns has averaged 39 in 23 tests during that period, mostly opening the batting, which is realistically the hardest position you can fill in tests. Considering the schmucks that we've tried around warner (Bancroft, Harris, Renshaw) and the very, very suboptimal results they've all given, why hasn't burns been given a longer rope?

 

[morgieb]

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/thr...l-be-accepted-again.85093/page-4#post-4639591 Looking at this thread had me thinking, has joe burns been hard done by? His test career started in 2014-15, the era that the OP noted as the real start of the batting average decline, and burns has averaged 39 in 23 tests during that period, mostly opening the batting, which is realistically the hardest position you can fill in tests. Considering the schmucks that we've tried around warner (Bancroft, Harris, Renshaw) and the very, very suboptimal results they've all given, why hasn't burns been given a longer rope?

Joe Burns's average is around 20 against players that could actually bowl tbf

 

[GoodAreasShane]

I guess a part of the argument for Burns was he could cash in when the going wasn't as tough, something that could never really be said for Bancroft or Harris at international level

Opening depth really is awful here right now, an old and half crocked Warner is genuinely the best opener in the country by quite some distance

 

[Nintendo]

I guess a part of the argument for Burns was he could cash in when the going wasn't as tough, something that could never really be said for Bancroft or Harris at international level

Opening depth really is awful here right now, an old and half crocked Warner is genuinely the best opener in the country by quite some distance

Pucovski when fit (Rare sight, I know) is way better then crooked warner. There's some promising young guys going around aswell, street is class, and even though nsw dropped him last year, still think daniel solway has potential long term, needs to move to somewhere like SA where hey'll get gametime.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Pucovski when fit (Rare sight, I know) is way better then crooked warner. There's some promising young guys going around aswell, street is class, and even though nsw dropped him last year, still think daniel solway has potential long term, needs to move to somewhere like SA where hey'll get gametime.

My thoughts on Pucovski are still the same, very high ceiling but still needs to be managed carefully, asking too much of him too soon could be disasterous

Street is certainly a possibility in the longer term, still probably at least a season off Australia considerations though.

Solway shouldn't have been canned by NSW, but the fact is he was, so that one is a non starter. Would quite happily have him here in SACAland, but if he was to move state he would have to do so uncontracted

 

[TheJediBrah]

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/thr...l-be-accepted-again.85093/page-4#post-4639591 Looking at this thread had me thinking, has joe burns been hard done by? His test career started in 2014-15, the era that the OP noted as the real start of the batting average decline, and burns has averaged 39 in 23 tests during that period, mostly opening the batting, which is realistically the hardest position you can fill in tests. Considering the schmucks that we've tried around warner (Bancroft, Harris, Renshaw) and the very, very suboptimal results they've all given, why hasn't burns been given a longer rope?

wow, resounding no on that one. Burns has got to be possibly one of the most kissed on the **** batsman ever with the conditions he's been given. Played nearly all his games at home and on the roadiest roads in Australian history, then conveniently missed almost all the games in challenging conditions. You couldn't be more off the mark on this one

edit: I don't mean to hate on him here, he has done favourably compared to those other guys and as GAS said he can at least go big when conditions favour him. But the suggestion that he's had tough conditions to bat in is the opposite of reality

And despite all that he's been given a longer rope than he's deserved, even last season played an extra couple Tests when it was clear he wasn't up to it and everyone and their dog knew it (except the selectors it seems)

 

[Nintendo]

wow, resounding no on that one. Burns has got to be possibly one of the most kissed on the **** batsman ever with the conditions he's been given. Played nearly all his games at home and on the roadiest roads in Australian history, then conveniently missed almost all the games in challenging conditions. You couldn't be more off the mark on this one

edit: I don't mean to hate on him here, he has done favourably compared to those other guys and as GAS said he can at least go big when conditions favour him. But the suggestion that he's had tough conditions to bat in is the opposite of reality

Not trying to say that burns inparticular had a hard time with conditions, one statsguru search tells you that. Was more curious as to why he hasn't had more chances considering the point made by flem about batting averages since 2015 and burns's relative output compared to the others we've tried.

 

[GotSpin]

Burns is shite - the wheel is forever now

 

[TheJediBrah]

Not trying to say that burns inparticular had a hard time with conditions, one statsguru search tells you that. Was more curious as to why he hasn't had more chances considering the point made by flem about batting averages since 2015 and burns's relative output compared to the others we've tried.

batting averages in the world being lower doesn't mean it was harder for him. He played mostly in the easiest conditions imaginable. If you look at the batting averages for the games he actually played they would be huge.

Also a strange time to be asking why he hasn't had more chances when in Australia's very last series he was clearly given too many chances

 

[Nintendo]

batting averages in the world being lower doesn't mean it was harder for him. He played mostly in the easiest conditions imaginable. If you look at the batting averages for the games he actually played they would be huge.

Also a strange time to be asking why he hasn't had more chances when in Australia's very last series he was clearly given too many chances

He played 2 tests total that series and only got a go in the second test because A)Both puc and Warner were crook and b)He memed a 50 against an Indian side down a bowler who had just been dismissed for 36ao. Don't think he was "given too many chances."

Appreciate all the responses either way, very clearly overestimated burns.

 

[Starfighter]

I think TJB is referring to his earlier goes.

 

[TheJediBrah]

He played 2 tests total that series

He shouldn't have played any, or even been close to selection. Every follower of cricket in Australia knew this and his selection was met with the bafflement it deserved.
That's already too many chances right there

Appreciate all the responses either way, very clearly overestimated burns.

Hey he was fine and did a job sometimes. Compared to Harris, Bancroft, Renshaw etc. he comes out looking decent. It was just the suggestion that his stats undersell him because of batting conditions around the world being harder that I felt compelled to correct because the truth is the opposite.

 

[stephen]

He's Australia's 3rd best opener behind Warner and Pucovski. Maybe Khawaja could be considered ahead of him as opener too. But that isn't a ringing endorsement, it's a begrudging acceptance of Australia's current mediocrity.

 

[Shady Slim]

He's Australia's 3rd best opener behind Warner and Pucovski. Maybe Khawaja could be considered ahead of him as opener too. But that isn't a ringing endorsement, it's a begrudging acceptance of Australia's current mediocrity.

tbf i wouldn't even say we can conclusively assert pucovski is our second best test opener at this point - he might well be but he's still being picked on potential more than having solidified his spot for reasons of performances at test level

 

[TheJediBrah]

Khawaja ****s all over Burns in every way (except literally, I hope)

 

[Prince EWS]

Oh no, this "look at his career Test average, Burns is hard done by" nonsense has come at the standard time since anyone actually watched him bat.

Please let us let the fraud go. He's not unlucky to be dropped with that average, he's lucky to have that average. Next please.

 

[Starfighter]

Warner and Khawaja opening and Pucovski at 5 is what I'd like to see (which means ditching Travis Head too). Langer would never do something so sensible though.

 

[Burgey]

Please let us let the fraud go.

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