Official NZ in Bangladesh (5 T20s)

[AndyZaltzHair]

Why would they produce anything other than that though? anything close to a flat pitch and NZ win comfortably, even with this line up. I get the feeling they live series by series as they kept going on about Bangladesh wining record at home.

You missed the point about rolling out flat pitches this series. Once again for preparation of upcoming WC. And no NZ don’t win “comfortably” even with full line up in BD.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Maybe not 50, but if nz has all its first choice bowlers it's not far off. Possibly a choice of 4 other spinners, a genuine quick and 3 other seam bowlers amounst the best going around now.

this post is full of predictions. Patel and MCC bowled very well yesterday. Also Rachin was not far off. I don’t think your other four spinners would have bowled better than them.

 

[Aritro]

Maybe not 50, but if nz has all its first choice bowlers it's not far off. Possibly a choice of 4 other spinners, a genuine quick and 3 other seam bowlers amounst the best going around now.

Given that we handled Hazlewood just fine, and took Starc for 8 an over in one of his two matches last month, I'd be pretty miffed if we were suddenly all at sea against your quicks. Two of whom wouldn't even be playing.

And I'm sure we've handled spinners at least equally as good as yours plenty of times when we play at home. Where we win white ball matches all. the. time.

So I think whatever way you dice it up, it's hard to see any way lend any credibility to the utterly moronic idea that you'd skittle us for anywhere near 50, "even on this deck" as was suggested in that post. But it wasn't your post, so let's leave it.

Personally I don't care, I think its great to have pride in your home record but you may as well forget about test cricket and any 50 over competition outside of Asia

As I've said before, these decks are an outlier. Our ODI pitches are slow and low-scoring but they don't turn like this. And we seem to have managed to make it to a Champions Trophy semi-final in England and a World Cup quarter final in Australia finishing above England so despite whatever room for improvement may exist, I don't think we're going to be resigned to "forgetting about" 50 over comps outside Asia.

And our home test decks are not particularly different to what India put out for decades. Decks on which we've beaten Australia and England, and crushed West Indies by innings defeats before our recent admittedly embarrassing lean trot. And if our scope in test cricket is limited to becoming a team that consistently wins at home and loses away, it will only bring us in line with what pretty much the result of the world has been doing for ages.

But either way, whatever becomes of our cricket in the coming years, I think we can fairly securely say that we'd have been able to handle your hastily assembled second string team of multiple subcontinent novices no matter what the deck's doing. Lol.

 

[Flem274*]

Bangers are a proper team at home now guys. Shakib is one of the greatest allrounders ever in any format and Mushfiqur and Tamim rep the Asian Current Test XI imo.

The NZ seconds should be better than what they've shown though. There's some proper test batsmen in there and they're not subcontinent novices. Ravindra and Young have also toured UAE with NZ A vs Pakistan.

Based on last night, if the batsmen settle down and bat the 20 (though Young got a grubber and first ballers can happen to anyone) we do have the spin bowling to win these games, and I liked what I saw of Duffy too.

What is in Bangladeshs favour is this is a red ball batting line up and we're thin on spin with the restings and what not. Ajaz is a gun and McConchie + Ravindra can be competent with help from the deck though. NZ FC is mean to spinners, even good ones.

Jayden Lennox should have toured though.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

The NZ seconds should be better than what they've shown though. There's some proper test batsmen in there and they're not subcontinent novices. Ravindra and Young have also toured UAE with NZ A vs Pakistan.

Based on last night, if the batsmen settle down and bat the 20 (though Young got a grubber and first ballers can happen to anyone) we do have the spin bowling to win these games, and I liked what I saw of Duffy too.

What is in Bangladeshs favour is this is a red ball batting line up and we're thin on spin with the restings and what not. Ajaz is a gun and McConchie + Ravindra can be competent with help from the deck though. NZ FC is mean to spinners, even good ones.

Jayden Lennox should have toured though.

I honestly thought NZ could pull off victory yesterday if only they batted out the overs with run a ball. Even 100 would have been difficult for us to chase and we have seen how good Patel and co bowled. Even that edge that Shakib got lucky to get away would have pegged us back in the chase. It was just a first match and I fully expect NZ to come back. But condescending comments from few posters do not make any sense.

 

[nzfan]

I thought so too. As I’ve watched all the matches against Australia, this pitch was worst than those. I think it’s the fifth pitch that they used yesterday which is very unpredictable in nature. I heard the other matches will be played on different pitches. So I hope the rest of the games won’t be as bad as this.

To be fair as a fan don't mind this pitch for the rest of the series. Although it is just t20s and if we end up losing all the games but gives our guys a reasonable lesson at playing on decks like this it'll come in super handy when we play India in India. I'd assume some if not all players will be involved for the India series.

 

[nzfan]

Bangers are a proper team at home now guys. Shakib is one of the greatest allrounders ever in any format and Mushfiqur and Tamim rep the Asian Current Test XI imo.

The NZ seconds should be better than what they've shown though. There's some proper test batsmen in there and they're not subcontinent novices. Ravindra and Young have also toured UAE with NZ A vs Pakistan.

Based on last night, if the batsmen settle down and bat the 20 (though Young got a grubber and first ballers can happen to anyone) we do have the spin bowling to win these games, and I liked what I saw of Duffy too.

What is in Bangladeshs favour is this is a red ball batting line up and we're thin on spin with the restings and what not. Ajaz is a gun and McConchie + Ravindra can be competent with help from the deck though. NZ FC is mean to spinners, even good ones.

Jayden Lennox should have toured though.

Besides Will Young and Ravindra did really well in UAE. That said those decks were nowhere near this kind. They were flatter I thought.

I think our bowling was very good last night. I can't think of too many bad balls. Under the gun after the start with the bat it could have been worse but I quite enjoyed their bowling. Even Duffy touring overseas first time was really good last night on that deck.

At best we could have had what Santner, Ish and Sommerville in the line up. I don't think Somerville will play white ball ever for black caps.

Ish would have replaced Tickener and Santner for Cole. Still I don't think we could have bowled any better than we did last night.

 

[Moss]

Make no mistake, Bangladesh would be favourites even if NZ were playing their first choice side though I'd like to think it'd be close if that were the case. When the Fizz is your fourth choice bowler you know you have a good attack for the conditions, and barring a couple of names the batting is fairly seasoned.

Do think this NZ side, unbalanced as they seem to be (far too many seamers, and not enough top order batting options) are much better than 60 all out. Hopefully going forward it's not like 2010 where the sight of a left arm spinner was enough to induce a flurry of mistakes. Bit of a worry though, that either side of that Nicholls-Latham partnership barely a run was scored.

 

[Frost]

Given that we handled Hazlewood just fine, and took Starc for 8 an over in one of his two matches last month, I'd be pretty miffed if we were suddenly all at sea against your quicks. Two of whom wouldn't even be playing.

And I'm sure we've handled spinners at least equally as good as yours plenty of times when we play at home. Where we win white ball matches all. the. time.

So I think whatever way you dice it up, it's hard to see any way lend any credibility to the utterly moronic idea that you'd skittle us for anywhere near 50, "even on this deck" as was suggested in that post. But it wasn't your post, so let's leave it.



As I've said before, these decks are an outlier. Our ODI pitches are slow and low-scoring but they don't turn like this. And we seem to have managed to make it to a Champions Trophy semi-final in England and a World Cup quarter final in Australia finishing above England so despite whatever room for improvement may exist, I don't think we're going to be resigned to "forgetting about" 50 over comps outside Asia.

And our home test decks are not particularly different to what India put out for decades. Decks on which we've beaten Australia and England, and crushed West Indies by innings defeats before our recent admittedly embarrassing lean trot. And if our scope in test cricket is limited to becoming a team that consistently wins at home and loses away, it will only bring us in line with what pretty much the result of the world has been doing for ages.

But either way, whatever becomes of our cricket in the coming years, I think we can fairly securely say that we'd have been able to handle your hastily assembled second string team of multiple subcontinent novices no matter what the deck's doing. Lol.

It's very hastily selected, the batting line up actually made no sense, most of those guys are red ball players at best, 3rd string maybe even 4th string in terms of 20/20 an thats not even being condescending. I actually don't mind it, and was a little surprised this was the first time Bangladesh have beaten nz given the lottery that can be 20/20.
I belive the point about rolling Bangladesh for 50 was more a go at the pitch rather than the teams involved, it's already been said this pitch was alot different than what's been offered previously to visiting teams.

 

[Frost]

this post is full of predictions. Patel and MCC bowled very well yesterday. Also Rachin was not far off. I don’t think your other four spinners would have bowled better than them.

Considering sohdi is probably nz best 20/20 spinner along with satner it would of been nice to see them have a bowl on that pitch.

 

[Moss]

Considering sohdi is probably nz best 20/20 spinner along with satner it would of been nice to see them have a bowl on that pitch.

Sodhi's been a real mixed bag in the last couple of seasons, seems to get most of his wickets off bad balls these days. I don't know if he would be relied upon to exploit these conditions as effectively as the finger spinners. But yes, why there are no other spinning options in this squad is a mystery.

 

[Aritro]

I honestly thought NZ could pull off victory yesterday if only they batted out the overs with run a ball. Even 100 would have been difficult for us to chase and we have seen how good Patel and co bowled. Even that edge that Shakib got lucky to get away would have pegged us back in the chase. It was just a first match and I fully expect NZ to come back. But condescending comments from few posters do not make any sense.

Yeah I'm worried I overegged the pudding a bit in the throes of my annoyance haha

We'll drop a match or two for sure, hopefully we don't do anything more embarrassing than that. The haplessness of some of their dismissals suggests we're safe though.

 

[vandem]

... We'll drop a match or two for sure, hopefully we don't do anything more embarrassing than that. The haplessness of some of their dismissals suggests we're safe though.

Drop a match? You sure? This is a weaker NZ 2nd / 3rd XI side than Aussie sent, and you beat them 4-1.

 

[Aritro]

Drop a match? You sure? This is a weaker NZ 2nd / 3rd XI side than Aussie sent, and you beat them 4-1.

It can all go **** up on a pitch like this when the opposition gets some momentum and adrenaline going. Which it threatened to at various times during that series.

Plus I have PTSD from horrors past.

 

[nzfan]

In fact we could have been out for even less than 60 yesterday if the chip from Latham was held and CDG's chip was very close to long off. Such is cricket. Some did carry and some didn't. Not everything was because of a bad shot or terrible technique.

Of the top 7 batters dismissal yesterday Young's was definitely due to keeping low. Here in NZ Young would have got a single to sweeper covers for the same shot.Rachin's was because the ball stopped a bit and was a bit low. On our deck it was a regulation single to mid on off the back foot. Other than that I guess most other wickets came out of not knowing what target to set or the consistent build up of pressure and magic balls bowled in-between by Bangladesh.

At the start of the inning if our guys knew 110 is enough and had confidence in our bowling (again it's quite an inexperienced international t20 attack) they'd have got there. Likely they had 130 on mind and they played like they were to set 130.

Those that are taking about our first choice team, do you guys reckon guppy, seifert, Mitchell and Phillips would have coped any better yesterday? I don't think so.

Kane and Conway could have but hey they can get out too.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Drop a match? You sure? This is a weaker NZ 2nd / 3rd XI side than Aussie sent, and you beat them 4-1.

we will lose matches in this series for sure esp after watching NZ’s bowling yesterday and how our batting line up is prone to collapse often

 

[SteveNZ]

5-0 is definitely on the cards. It's just a very, very average batting line-up. It's a mixture of Test guys who aren't suited to the format, T20 guys who can't play spin (especially early) and untested youngsters. In fact Bangladesh should be disappointed if they don't win 5-0. I know you can get an upset result here and there, but on balance with the two sides, their exposure to the conditions etc it shouldn't be close.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

5-0 is definitely on the cards. It's just a very, very average batting line-up. It's a mixture of Test guys who aren't suited to the format, T20 guys who can't play spin (especially early) and untested youngsters. In fact Bangladesh should be disappointed if they don't win 5-0. I know you can get an upset result here and there, but on balance with the two sides, their exposure to the conditions etc it shouldn't be close.

Call it 'Banglawash' instead of 5-0

 

[Frost]

Sodhi's been a real mixed bag in the last couple of seasons, seems to get most of his wickets off bad balls these days. I don't know if he would be relied upon to exploit these conditions as effectively as the finger spinners. But yes, why there are no other spinning options in this squad is a mystery.

Yea sohdi has never been consistent, but at his best imo he's our best white ball spinner, would have like to see him on this pitch particularly with that ever improving wrong' un(sp?) Because satner at least offers control and economy he will probably always get selected ahead, a shame really.

 

[Frost]

In fact we could have been out for even less than 60 yesterday if the chip from Latham was held and CDG's chip was very close to long off. Such is cricket. Some did carry and some didn't. Not everything was because of a bad shot or terrible technique.

Of the top 7 batters dismissal yesterday Young's was definitely due to keeping low. Here in NZ Young would have got a single to sweeper covers for the same shot.Rachin's was because the ball stopped a bit and was a bit low. On our deck it was a regulation single to mid on off the back foot. Other than that I guess most other wickets came out of not knowing what target to set or the consistent build up of pressure and magic balls bowled in-between by Bangladesh.

At the start of the inning if our guys knew 110 is enough and had confidence in our bowling (again it's quite an inexperienced international t20 attack) they'd have got there. Likely they had 130 on mind and they played like they were to set 130.

Those that are taking about our first choice team, do you guys reckon guppy, seifert, Mitchell and Phillips would have coped any better yesterday? I don't think so.

Kane and Conway could have but hey they can get out too.

Maybe, maybe not but the inclusion of those players would at least allow a batting lineup that made sense.
Glen Phillips is the future in all formats in my opinion, I know blundell earned the test gloves but would like to see Phillips get a chance at some point.