Official NZ in Bangladesh (5 T20s)

[nzfan]

It's a proper red ball top order. I don't think there will be much changes to the batting line up. That will be like saying the management doesn't trust their own decision and pressing the panic button. The only changes I can see coming is probably one, maybe Bennett or Sears comes in for Tickener. Don't think any of the bowlers did anything wrong but they'll rotate the faster bowlers.

 

[Immenso]

The main issue with the side in general is there's lots of proper batsmen and not many from the meme team.

I don't think that is its main issue, in fact that is its relative strength. They supposedly selected that sort of batting lineup knowing the conditions and knowing its not a place to shoehorn in 5 Marcus Stoinis-type players. They were just poor on the night and as an excuse for them - a bit undercooked.

Main issue is too much seam, not enough specialist spin.

 

[SteveNZ]

I don't see anything wrong with that. They prepare pitches that gets them wins like we do for test cricket. It's fair. Just that those that watch the t20 game expect it to be batters game and when we don't get that it's outside of our realm to accept it. This is not a norm for t20s. In fact the pitches they played vs WI in test cricket was better for batting than this one.

Do we? I feel like we prepare them to last five days, which involves them being a bit green on day one then flattening out. The dirty green seam deck days I think are behind us. I don't think KJ at Seddon Park, Phil Stoyanoff at McLean Park or anyone else can be told what to trot out

 

[vandem]

... Main issue is too much seam, not enough specialist spin.

There weren't many other spin options for the tour after "deciding" to rest Sodhi / Santner / Astle, and after Rippon's NZ qualification was delayed, and after Michael Bracewell was not available. Perhaps Lennox or Joe Walker, but assume the selectors didn't want too many debutants.

Sommerville was an option but ignored for some unknown reason.

 

[Chewie]

Should have brought Henry Cooper to roll the arm over @Prince EWS

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

If NZ had their full bowling attack they could've rolled Ban for 50 on that deck.

lol no

 

[Chewie]

Finn Allen is back for the next game

 

[Immenso]

There weren't many other spin options for the tour after "deciding" to rest Sodhi / Santner / Astle, and after Rippon's NZ qualification was delayed, and after Michael Bracewell was not available. Perhaps Lennox or Joe Walker, but assume the selectors didn't want too many debutants.

Sommerville was an option but ignored for some unknown reason.

Thise are enough options. If chosen any one of the 3 you mention - they would have gotten more use by their captain than Tickner, Kuggs, Sears, Bennett.

Only complication is if also going on to the Pakistan part, I can be bothered checking of any of those seamers are Bangladesh part only, then home.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Shakib "I think the wicket in the first match was more difficult than the Australia series," he said. "I think we still bowled very well. They naturally struggled as they are not acclimitised to these conditions."

You got to believe that when the man says it. If this was the deck for t20 imagine the deck we would have to play on in if we played a test there. Would have loved to see our boys play a test on this deck.

I thought so too. As I’ve watched all the matches against Australia, this pitch was worst than those. I think it’s the fifth pitch that they used yesterday which is very unpredictable in nature. I heard the other matches will be played on different pitches. So I hope the rest of the games won’t be as bad as this.

 

[SteveNZ]

Finn Allen is back for the next game

Good for Finn, but he's going to battle massively on those decks

 

[Chewie]

Still strengthens the batting at least

 

[Flem274*]

This would have been a fun test deck tbf. Not the longest of tests (though lack of pressure to score fast would have helped), but a fun test.

 

[Aritro]

That’s really sad and disappointing to hear. It’s not going to lead to good development for Bangladesh players, and these types of games are hardly going to excite new fans and grow the game, either.

We absolutely should be playing international matches on raging turners IMO, just as any other country should play their home matches on favourable decks. It's in the domestic game they ought to be producing sporting pitches, or grassy pitches to develop players.

Not that I'm sticking up for the pitches in this latest run of matches. For T20s, they're doctored to the point of piss-take and they're doing nothing to prepare any of the teams involved for the World Cup, which is what the series were supposed to be about.

EDIT: On reflection, we're not really in disagreement about this pitch really.

 

[Aritro]

This would have been a fun test deck tbf. Not the longest of tests (though lack of pressure to score fast would have helped), but a fun test.

I'd be curious to see how it compares to a standard Deshi test match turner. Hard to judge when teams are getting skittled for 60 trying to push the run rate along.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

We absolutely should be playing international matches on raging turners IMO, just as any other country should play their home matches on favourable decks. It's in the domestic game they ought to be producing sporting pitches, or grassy pitches to develop players.

Not that I'm sticking up for the pitches in this latest run of matches. For T20s, they're doctored to the point of piss-take and they're doing nothing to prepare any of the teams involved for the World Cup, which is what the series were supposed to be about.

The only reason I wanted it to be flat deck for this series and the series before because of our preparation for WC. The pitch that was played yesterday was overcooked a bit I agree but it was not 60 all out pitch regardless.

 

[Frost]

Was still an entertaining watch, even as a nz fan. Plenty of lols 9/4.
Be good seeing what some of the younger players can do. I'm all for home teams having "their" conditions, but that pitch doesn't do anything for the game. I'm all for teams having to play on "raging turners" but when balls are almost going underground that early its probably not great. It's not going to help Bangladesh long term.

 

[Frost]

The only reason I wanted it to be flat deck for this series and the series before because of our preparation for WC. The pitch that was played yesterday was overcooked a bit I agree but it was not 60 all out pitch regardless.

Why would they produce anything other than that though? anything close to a flat pitch and NZ win comfortably, even with this line up. I get the feeling they live series by series as they kept going on about Bangladesh wining record at home.

 

[Aritro]

Why would they produce anything other than that though? anything close to a flat pitch and NZ win comfortably, even with this line up. I get the feeling they live series by series as they kept going on about Bangladesh wining record at home.

Lol, this is absolutely not true, and neither is that ridiculous call by a different poster on the previous page about the NZ first choice attack rolling us for 50. I get that you've probably watched us get trounced in NZ which might skew your perspective but this is a comically inaccurate post.

 

[Aritro]

And FYI, that winning record at home has been accumulated on ODI pitches that in absolutely no way resembled this one.

Thank **** Papua New Guinea aren't due to tour any time soon. If they sent their first team, well gosh, we might have limped through to a 2-2 and then prayed for rain.

 

[Frost]

Lol, this is absolutely not true, and neither is that ridiculous call by a different poster on the previous page about the NZ first choice attack rolling us for 50. I get that you've probably watched us get trounced in NZ which might skew your perspective but this is a comically inaccurate post.

Maybe not 50, but if nz has all its first choice bowlers it's not far off. Possibly a choice of 4 other spinners, a genuine quick and 3 other seam bowlers amounst the best going around now. Personally I don't care, I think its great to have pride in your home record but you may as well forget about test cricket and any 50 over competition outside of Asia