Victor Ian
International Coach
One of the reasons I rate Waugh is because he started off being the player who could play shots like his brother, but put them all away to just score runs and be the rock Australia needed post Border.
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Top 30 batsmen of the modern era (1990s -Current)
- Thread starter venkyrenga
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Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
Steyn's avg way better than his contemporaries just like Smith's.
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
I was comparing Steyn to Smith not
to Bradman.
Dendarii
International Debutant
It depends which contemporaries you're talking about. Philander and Rabada both have slightly better averages than Steyn, although Steyn had a longer career than either of them.
venkyrenga
U19 12th Man
No. 3
Steve Waugh - 147.2
Points: 147.2
Span: 1992-03
Peak: 1993-96
Overall points: 139
Overseas points: 157.6
Best bowling attack points: 141.5
Peak points: 177.8
Runs: 10927
Average: 51.06
Most valuable series performances:
vs England, 1993, Away, Runs- 416, Avg- 83.20
vs West Indies, 1995, Away, Runs- 429, Avg- 107.25
vs South Africa, 1997, Away, Runs- 313, Avg- 78.25
vs West Indies, 1999, Away, Runs- 409, Avg- 58.42
vs England, 2001, Away, Runs- 321, Avg- 107
#Most valuable series are the ones that had the most impact on the total points earned.
Throughout the 90s, Waugh has scored more points than Lara consistently. I don't know if it is the Flair of Lara or the ease with which Sachin scored runs, Waugh is never seen as their equal despite having scored massive number of runs everywhere and against the best. His best bowling attack points was dragged down significantly because of the poor performance in 2001-02 series against SA otherwise it would have been a whooping 175.
Steve Waugh - 147.2
Points: 147.2
Span: 1992-03
Peak: 1993-96
Overall points: 139
Overseas points: 157.6
Best bowling attack points: 141.5
Peak points: 177.8
Runs: 10927
Average: 51.06
Most valuable series performances:
vs England, 1993, Away, Runs- 416, Avg- 83.20
vs West Indies, 1995, Away, Runs- 429, Avg- 107.25
vs South Africa, 1997, Away, Runs- 313, Avg- 78.25
vs West Indies, 1999, Away, Runs- 409, Avg- 58.42
vs England, 2001, Away, Runs- 321, Avg- 107
#Most valuable series are the ones that had the most impact on the total points earned.
Throughout the 90s, Waugh has scored more points than Lara consistently. I don't know if it is the Flair of Lara or the ease with which Sachin scored runs, Waugh is never seen as their equal despite having scored massive number of runs everywhere and against the best. His best bowling attack points was dragged down significantly because of the poor performance in 2001-02 series against SA otherwise it would have been a whooping 175.
Gob
International Coach
Funny thing is that must have been the worst SA attack that he faced
venkyrenga
U19 12th Man
And for all the commotion over batting avg and not outs, Waugh at no.3 and Chanderpaul at no.11 isn't too bad, is it?
venkyrenga
U19 12th Man
sunilz
International Regular
Donald got injured after 1st test iirc ?
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
When the countdown is complete do the list without the Not Outs and show what difference they made.
venkyrenga
U19 12th Man
ooh! That's a lot of work pal. We are talking modifying nearly 150 sheets and then consolidating them, probably not feasible. If you want the points for a particular player or any breakdown, I can give.
But having worked on them for quite sometime, I can tell you what difference it would make. If you use just the batting avg, Waugh would remain at the same spot as there is a massing gap between him and no. 2. Chanderpaul will move ahead of Kohli and may be even Sanga. Laxman and Gilchrist would move a few spots higher. That's about it.
mr_mister
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Ah. I only checked the first test scorecard. Still, he scored 160 in it
Gob
International Coach
Do it
Victor Ian
International Coach
Wow - you are another one like DOG. I can't fathom doing one of these things on a spreadsheet, unless I was going to code it all up, in which case there is no need for the sheet. More respect to you then.
Victor Ian
International Coach
He broke Donald, so deserving of the points.