Top 30 batsmen of the modern era (1990s -Current)

[_00_deathscar]

Only very recently, and generally from the smaller nations

England? South Africa?

 

[TheJediBrah]

England? South Africa?

Only very recently. Bit of a Covid thing too wasn't it

 

[venkyrenga]

No. 4

Brian Lara - 146.2



Points: 146.2
Span: 1992-2005
Peak: 1992-95
Longevity bonus: 2.9

Overall points: 141.8
Overseas points: 135.4
Best bowling attack points: 150.6
Peak points: 163.9

Runs: 11953
Average: 52.88

 

[_00_deathscar]

Only very recently. Bit of a Covid thing too wasn't it

You could argue the England one

De Kock (and co) ****ing off from South Africa Pakistan in full swing had nothing to do with Covid-19.

Yes, recently, but can’t wait for it to be retroactively judged too for some test in the mid 90s as a JAMTEST

 

[OverratedSanity]

But the forum (or some members anyway) discounts group stage/other games too unless it’s a final

Tbf its just one or two morons whose cricketing opinions are worthless.

 

[TheJediBrah]

You could argue the England one

De Kock (and co) ****ing off from South Africa Pakistan in full swing had nothing to do with Covid-19.

Yes, recently, but can’t wait for it to be retroactively judged too for some test in the mid 90s as a JAMTEST

No you're right about the retroactive thing. The ODI tri series in Aus was a big deal at the time, definitely not JAMODIs.
Not sure about all those Sharjah ones I never really knew much about them.

 

[Burgey]

You're prepared to put Smith ahead of Ponting already before his career is even done? I'm not, especially considering Ponting also averaged nigh-on 60 around the same age is Smith is now, and that was after many more innings.

I might well have Smith ahead when all is said and done, but the jury isn't out yet.

Smith has scored more runs in a wider variety of conditions in a more bowler-friendly era than Ponting. He's the best batsman I've ever seen, as ugly to watch as he often is.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Smith has scored more runs in a wider variety of conditions in a more bowler-friendly era than Ponting. He's the best batsman I've ever seen, as ugly to watch as he often is.

Even without his late career dip Ponting is still not quite Smith's level. Smith has had better bowling and more difficult conditions, and his away record is phenomenal

 

[trundler]

Smith has scored more runs in a wider variety of conditions in a more bowler-friendly era than Ponting. He's the best batsman I've ever seen, as ugly to watch as he often is.

Better than Fuller Pilch even?

 

[venkyrenga]

Lara's overseas record took a real hit during late 90s (1996-00) averaging a mere 30. That brought him down by one spot.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Better than Fuller Pilch even?

These jokes are never going to get old.

Unlike Burgey

 

[Daemon]

Smith has nothing but longevity going against him.

Runs against everyone
Runs everywhere
Runs in tough conditions
Bowler friendly era
Multiple big series
Far ahead of the next best peer

Couple of tests more in each country and I'm pretty sure he'll end up like some sort of fusion between Tendulkar in terms consistency and having no holes in his record, and Lara in terms of ridiculous knocks and big series.

Shame he's a cheat though.

 

[sunilz]

Is this the first mathematical rating system which has rated Steve Waugh so high ?

He deserves it imo for his exploits against WI and SA b/w 95 to 99 imo.
1995 Test series
1998 Test series
1999 WC performance vs SA

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Smith has nothing but longevity going against him.

Runs against everyone
Runs everywhere
Runs in tough conditions
Bowler friendly era
Multiple big series
Far ahead of the next best peer

Couple of tests more in each country and I'm pretty sure he'll end up like some sort of fusion between Tendulkar in terms consistency and having no holes in his record, and Lara in terms of ridiculous knocks and big series.

Shame he's a cheat though.

Batting equivalent of Steyn

 

[Burgey]

He would be if Steyn averaged about 17.

 

[Zinzan]

He would be if Steyn averaged about 17.

Nah, 19-20

 

[indiaholic]

Batting equivalent of Steyn

This is obviously over rating Steyn but I agree.

 

[Slifer]

Nah, 19-20

Agreed. Imo a batting average of 60 is roughly equivalent to averaging 19-20 with the ball. Closest i could think of bowling wise is Marshall. However, Marshall went at sub 23 vs everyone (more or less 50+ in batting) . Smith doesn't quite match that consistency.

 

[Burgey]

Nah, 19-20

Yeah fair enough

 

[TheJediBrah]

Is this the first mathematical rating system which has rated Steve Waugh so high ?

He deserves it imo for his exploits against WI and SA b/w 95 to 99 imo.
1995 Test series
1998 Test series
1999 WC performance vs SA

Waugh gets overlooked a lot. Everyone talks about Sachin, Lara, Ponting but he was pretty close to that level.