*Official* New Zealand in England 2021

[Lillian Thomson]

I’m not sure about Burns in Australia on the harder and faster wickets against their quality of attack based on the way he played the short ball in this match.

 

[nzfan]

Didn't watch Kane bat last night. I know from the scorecard he scored 1 but was he looking assured? Not getting beaten outside off stump?

It's not ideal he didn't score much means he has to play the next game. His elbow is a problem and was hoping he gets reasonable runs. If he did he could rest up for the next game.

Southee, Jamieson need rest next game?

Unless CDG gets some runs or takes poles I think it's not good to neglect a form player in Darryl Mitchell. CDG holds up one end is getting a bit tiresome. We need to take 20 wickets and can't carry CDG and Santner. You don't need two bowlers to hold an end. One is enough. I'd rather take a Doug in CDG's place if Darryl is not suitable for some reason.

Between CDG and Santner we bowled 25 overs and no wickets. This meant the rest of the bowlers had to bowl 75 overs. Didn't help them keep fresh did it? Would have rather taken Darryl/Ajaz or Darryl/Rachin combo.

It's a given they'll play Santner all three tests. It's just the way Kane and Stead operate. At least get him to attack the stumps. He's not bowled two balls in a row in the same spot throughout the test match. He should have bowled more overs but his length for test cricket is just not good. There's some purchase in the pitch but Santner barely playing first class or tests frequently has messed up his bowling. Just hope he bats for a bit and gets some runs. We'll need him scoring.

We've played good cricket in this test match without any reasonable match practice which is great but couple of selections are off the mark. We won't change in any case so hoping CDG and Santner get some time in the middle.

 

[Frost]

Admittedly he has a missed stumping off his bowling but Santner just isn’t a test bowler, really struggles to land 2-3 balls in the same area of an over.

I haven’t seen a lot of Rachin but would his bowling really be any worse? With Boult back I guess that means Santner would drop out but I think Southee, Boult, Jamieson, Wagner and de Grandhomme would be seam overkill. Anyway we could play Rachin at 7 with either de Grandhomme or Wagner dropping out?

Not sure why you would drop either of those two just to fit in Rachin, de Grandhomme actually had good rhythm in this match and would be so unfair to drop Wagner, he's been one of our best last few years. Nz don't have a good enough spinner to warrant selection outside of Asia, so you play 5 seamers and Kane to bowl a couple.

 

[Moss]

Didn't watch Kane bat last night. I know from the scorecard he scored 1 but we he looking assured? Not getting beaten outside off stump?

He was beaten outside off a couple of times (by good deliveries), but it was more the fact that England had him on a leash which made me feel he needs a good game at Edgbaston before the final. Rare to see him tied down so clinically.

Robinson pretty much got him the way he described in his pre-match interview - hammering away outside off and then getting him lbw with the one which comes back in. And he did this in consecutive balls - a faint inside edge saved Kane the first time around.

 

[Frost]

Didn't watch Kane bat last night. I know from the scorecard he scored 1 but was he looking assured? Not getting beaten outside off stump?

It's not ideal he didn't score much means he has to play the next game. His elbow is a problem and was hoping he gets reasonable runs. If he did he could rest up for the next game.

Southee, Jamieson need rest next game?

Unless CDG gets some runs or takes poles I think it's not good to neglect a form player in Darryl Mitchell. CDG holds up one end is getting a bit tiresome. We need to take 20 wickets and can't carry CDG and Santner. You don't need two bowlers to hold an end. One is enough. I'd rather take a Doug in CDG's place if Darryl is not suitable for some reason.

Between CDG and Santner we bowled 25 overs and no wickets. This meant the rest of the bowlers had to bowl 75 overs. Didn't help them keep fresh did it? Would have rather taken Darryl/Ajaz or Darryl/Rachin combo.

It's a given they'll play Santner all three tests. It's just the way Kane and Stead operate. At least get him to attack the stumps. He's not bowled two balls in a row in the same spot throughout the test match. He should have bowled more overs but his length for test cricket is just not good. There's some purchase in the pitch but Santner barely playing first class or tests frequently has messed up his bowling. Just hope he bats for a bit and gets some runs. We'll need him scoring.

We've played good cricket in this test match without any reasonable match practice which is great but couple of selections are off the mark. We won't change in any case so hoping CDG and Santner get some time in the middle.

Would love to have Mitchell in the side, he's more likely to be a more consistent batter but his bowling really isn't good enough, especially without a quality spinner

 

[Mike5181]

Didn't watch Kane bat last night. I know from the scorecard he scored 1 but was he looking assured? Not getting beaten outside off stump?

It's not ideal he didn't score much means he has to play the next game. His elbow is a problem and was hoping he gets reasonable runs. If he did he could rest up for the next game.

Southee, Jamieson need rest next game?

Unless CDG gets some runs or takes poles I think it's not good to neglect a form player in Darryl Mitchell. CDG holds up one end is getting a bit tiresome. We need to take 20 wickets and can't carry CDG and Santner. You don't need two bowlers to hold an end. One is enough. I'd rather take a Doug in CDG's place if Darryl is not suitable for some reason.

Between CDG and Santner we bowled 25 overs and no wickets. This meant the rest of the bowlers had to bowl 75 overs. Didn't help them keep fresh did it? Would have rather taken Darryl/Ajaz or Darryl/Rachin combo.

It's a given they'll play Santner all three tests. It's just the way Kane and Stead operate. At least get him to attack the stumps. He's not bowled two balls in a row in the same spot throughout the test match. He should have bowled more overs but his length for test cricket is just not good. There's some purchase in the pitch but Santner barely playing first class or tests frequently has messed up his bowling. Just hope he bats for a bit and gets some runs. We'll need him scoring.

We've played good cricket in this test match without any reasonable match practice which is great but couple of selections are off the mark. We won't change in any case so hoping CDG and Santner get some time in the middle.

Mitchell took 1 wicket in the 4 tests he played.

 

[nzfan]

Not sure why you would drop either of those two just to fit in Rachin, de Grandhomme actually had good rhythm in this match and would be so unfair to drop Wagner, he's been one of our best last few years. Nz don't have a good enough spinner to warrant selection outside of Asia, so you play 5 seamers and Kane to bowl a couple.

I wouldn't go by domestic record and decide Rachin is not good enough bowler. You'll be surprised how well he bowls. His bowling had been mismanaged to a large extent by our local captain. I think he's averaging like 30 with the ball this year. Can't write off someone without giving a go. That said they won't play him anyways so it's a wasted discussion. Way too conservative selection and generally they go for comfort zone selection. Taking a risk is not something Kane and Stead are good at. That's all right though as this approach has got us here. I'm in Howsie's court CDG is going to be a liability for us. Hope I'm proved wrong but can't see him contributing heavily.

 

[nzfan]

Mitchell took 1 wicket in the 4 tests he played.

For sure don't rate him as a bowler but he can certainly bat and is in the form of his life. At least he's been bowling heaps in first class for Canterbury.

 

[nzfan]

Oh I mean slight change in selection for the next test just to see what's the best combination going into the wtc finals. Got nothing to lose. England is not playing best cricket so no better time to try some combinations likely suitable for wtc. If Santner and CDG can't find form with bat and ball in the next test it'll be high risk to try Darryl/Ajaz without match practice in the wtc finals. No matter what you do in the nets that's not going to replicate match practice.

 

[Burgey]

Big effort Burns. All but carrying your bat with the side under the kosh is a top knock by any standard.

williamson’sform would be a concern for NZ.

 

[Moss]

CdG

I wouldn't go by domestic record and decide Rachin is not good enough bowler. You'll be surprised how well he bowls. His bowling had been mismanaged to a large extent by our local captain. I think he's averaging like 30 with the ball this year. Can't write off someone without giving a go. That said they won't play him anyways so it's a wasted discussion. Way too conservative selection and generally they go for comfort zone selection. Taking a risk is not something Kane and Stead are good at. That's all right though as this approach has got us here. I'm in Howsie's court CDG is going to be a liability for us. Hope I'm proved wrong but can't see him contributing heavily.

I think CdG is less of a liability than Santner if that makes sense, at the very least he can keep it tight and will be a handful if conditions suit. More likely to get useful runs from him too, or so I think.

Santner, as Howsie said, just doesn’t seem to be able to be able to manage a consistent pitch map in tests and will be easy pickings for India IMO. Not that Kane seems keen on giving him anything resembling a decent spell.

 

[Frost]

I wouldn't go by domestic record and decide Rachin is not good enough bowler. You'll be surprised how well he bowls. His bowling had been mismanaged to a large extent by our local captain. I think he's averaging like 30 with the ball this year. Can't write off someone without giving a go. That said they won't play him anyways so it's a wasted discussion. Way too conservative selection and generally they go for comfort zone selection. Taking a risk is not something Kane and Stead are good at. That's all right though as this approach has got us here. I'm in Howsie's court CDG is going to be a liability for us. Hope I'm proved wrong but can't see him contributing heavily.

Don't worry I rate him highly, he's certainly a talent who I would love to see in the line up.
Cdg has literally been the difference in some tests with his bowling, he's earned enough time to work through batting issues without worrying about his place. Asia it's a no brainer play rachin and Patel either both or one, depending on the balance of your side.

 

[nzfan]

CdG


I think CdG is less of a liability than Santner if that makes sense, at the very least he can keep it tight and will be a handful if conditions suit. More likely to get useful runs from him too, or so I think.

Santner, as Howsie said, just doesn’t seem to be able to be able to manage a consistent pitch map in tests and will be easy pickings for India IMO. Not that Kane seems keen on giving him anything resembling a decent spell.

Yup love Kane but not the best captain for spinners. He's so good against spin he doesn't rate any spinner I guess. Can't have both CDG and Santner playing. One bowler will always have an off day. Just don't bother with spinners at all. Might as well play Daryl or Doug.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Burns is a strange one isn't he. You don't ever feel like you did when Cook, or even Strauss, was there but he can play an innings. Feels like he will be around the team for years to come even if he does find himself in an out as with this winter

Yeah, doesn't quite radiate solidity like some openers we've had. Nass said on commentary today he's reached 50 in every FC game this season bar one, but has only got to 100 once. I guess with his MO the fielding side maybe always feel in with a sniff even when he's set.

And had a couple of lives today as well (from memory he gave a few chances when he tonned up at Edgbaston vs. Oz too), but he does have a bit of ticker about him.

With shots like Crawley and (especially) Lawrence played it's wrongheaded to nitpick at the bloke who scores 130-odd.

 

[nzfan]

Still very good effort from the lads. Going into the last day 165 runs ahead and 8 wickets in the bag. If there was no rain around and we were going into 4th day in this situation I'd take it. 250 + would have won us the game. Some short of runs and wickets aside this is quite a good performance going into first test in England. Just wish they didn't stick to the same formula forever and be a bit lucid with selection for one or two spots.

 

[Groundking]

Good chance for for the batters to get some time in tomorrow particularly Taylor...
There won't be a declaration, bowlers have had a good run and should now put their feet up.
Lathem is looking organized, glad after years of trying nz might have found a decent opening pair in trying conditions. Boult to replace Satner in the next test, if he's fit - he will need the run.
England really need to find a top order if they are going to get the ashes, do they make changes now in time for India or hope they come right?

Who do we bring in though? We've tried loads of players already and it's not like anybody is knocking at the door is it?

 

[Frost]

Still very good effort from the lads. Going into the last day 165 runs ahead and 8 wickets in the bag. If there was no rain around and we were going into 4th day in this situation I'd take it. 250 + would have won us the game. Some short of runs and wickets aside this is quite a good performance going into first test in England. Just wish they didn't stick to the same formula forever and be a bit lucid with selection for one or two spots.

they can't, not just before the wtc.
After that I'm sure there will be. Not sure how long Taylor's got, blundell is replacing watling and pretty sure guys like rachin, Duffy and Phillips will get a go.

 

[Frost]

Who do we bring in though? We've tried loads of players already and it's not like anybody is knocking at the door is it?

The county system there must be more sound players, I don't know I don't watch County cricket. Root has to bat 3

 

[Flem274*]

watched most of that live and happy to escape 2 down tbh. the bloke whining nz werent trying to win needs a lie down.

robinson is quite obnoxiously good for someone who so closely resembles every plunket shield battler. interested to see if he comes unglued down under where he will be straight up and down at 130 clicks. doesnt bowl full enough to swing the kookaburra.

 

[Flem274*]

cdgs had a grand total of one knock since return and is proven useful at test level. im not opposed to a look at mitchell but im not worried either. cdg looked very solid until the wicket ball too.