The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Burgey]

Well, sure. But I feel he would have had better stats for sure had his career started at the same time as Zak, for example.

Yeah I think this is fair comment tbh. And probably up h til a few years ago he’d be in the discussion for mine, but Kapil is a given and imho Javagal has been passed by the likes of Bumrah, Shami and probably even Ishant given how good he’s been the past few years.

Zaheer also in the argument I suppose, but I think his peak was probably a bit too short to get a spot ahead of the others. He wasquality either side of 2010 for a few years though.

 

[Burgey]

Easily THE most underrated cricketer from India. Was the spearhead and also did the gruntwork of bowling dry. Ishant and Bumrah rolled in one.

Thanks for your input, Mrs Srinath.

 

[honestbharani]

Thanks for your input, Mrs Srinath.

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah I think this is fair comment tbh. And probably up h til a few years ago he’d be in the discussion for mine, but Kapil is a given and imho Javagal has been passed by the likes of Bumrah, Shami and probably even Ishant given how good he’s been the past few years.

Zaheer also in the argument I suppose, but I think his peak was probably a bit too short to get a spot ahead of the others. He wasquality either side of 2010 for a few years though.

I still have a thing about putting in current players in ATG sides. But yeah, feel some of the current boys have and will pass Srinath which is good. But it was still good to have someone who could bowl 93 mph in the 1999 WC given the rest of our "fast" bowlers were basicaly trundlers.

 

[Flem274*]

srinath came up during our flat selection of the indian all time side. i think the home attack ended up being bumrah/shami/kapil/ashwin/jadeja but can't remember. srinath definitely played away from home. zaheer might be the stronger choice for the team, providing left arm variety.

vettori's an interesting one. mid and late career vettori is perfect for modern home conditions where sides would be playing on finger spinners graveyards - impossible to hit out of the attack, constricts the opposition to 2 an over, is basically an extra batsman at #8 pushing hadlee to #9 - but a liability in asia as an attacking threat.

john bracewell had his moments, but honestly the best spin combination for an nz all time side in asia might be somerville and ajaz (or one of the pair and vettori). they did the business in the uae and sri lanka and led the way in one of our strongest sides.

in 70% of the series the nz all time side would play though vettori starts. beyond murali, warne, meme english spinners from a million years ago like the rest of their all time side and maybe outside selections for their sides like tiger o'reilly and grimmett, spinners won't be having a say in the series vettori would start in.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Actually, the discussion I entered into was prompted by some none-too-bright fella posting an AT team with Javagal Srinath and another bloke who’s played about 20 tests in the running to take the new ball. That’s an indictment after eight decades of playing test cricket. 70+ years of test cricket and Javagal Srinath opens the bowling to Len Hutton and Jack Hobbs? What level of abject mediocrity is that? Wally Hammond last seen quaking in his batting pads in the Pommy sheds, worried he’ll die of exhaustion after making an unbeaten 850.

Am a fan of Javagal, he’s under rated overall, but he shouldn’t be in consideration for an AT side unless he played for minnows with little to no pedigree like Zimbabwe or SL. It’s pretty laughable to think he’s in the discussion. Basically a skinny Merv Hughes - whole hearted and went well, but about three tiers shy of ATG status at its kindest.

They won’t get to face him, because they’ll be darted out by the GOAT Jadeja, as they all put on very confused Kohli-like faces when he gets out, wondering why they didn’t just hit him back over his head.
If one of them gets lucky enough to last to face Srinath, they’ll be run out by Jadeja or caught at the boundary trying to hit a six as he makes the greatest catch of all time.
Then he’ll come on and score a rapid fire 60 to win us the game.

On a serious note yea no one is arguing Srinath was anywhere near ATG level. He was handy and would have done better with more support - like put him in this team and he’d be more than a handful. But unfortunately his career coincided with some absolute dross.

 

[Noumenon]

Dropping in some more Srinath propaganda.

Javagal Srinath: One in a billion

It was November 23, 1996 when Javagal Srinath ripped the heart out of the visiting South African batting line-up, taking six for 21 in the first Test

www.espncricinfo.com

Wolf in sheep's clothing

Most of the world saw Javagal Srinath as a toiler. South Africans saw a proper fast bowler

www.thecricketmonthly.com

 

[h_hurricane]

Daily reminder that Srinath's peak happened between 2001-2007. Would have taken a lot more wickets had he not retired.

 

[trundler]

beyond murali, warne, meme english spinners from a million years ago like the rest of their all time side and maybe outside selections for their sides like tiger o'reilly and grimmett, spinners won't be having a say in the series vettori would start in.

You basically named every spinner of note except Tayfield though

 

[Shri]

Cant blame you. India does have low standards when it comes to making their atg lineup considering their bowling history. Ofc one day i hope india can try catching up to Pakistan's ATG team

you mean come down to pak's abysmal level?

 

[CricAddict]

Besides Bumrah, Pant is on track to replace Dhoni in Indian XI. If Pant's form holds, he would have scored, incredibly enough, half of Dhoni's test runs in the next 10 months. Very likely the Indian ATG XI would be revised to look like this in March '22.

S Gavaskar
V Sehwag
R Dravid
S Tendulkar
V Kohli
R Pant
R Jadeja
Kapil Dev
R Ashwin
J Srinath
J Bumrah

Siraj is an outside chance as well to get into the team when he retires. Except for Srinath, the other 10 here are almost sure of their place. Shami/Zaheer/Ishant/Siraj are strong contenders to replace Srinath.

Probably, we should still have Amar or Nissar there instead of Srinath till a worthy contender can replace him. Amar can bat well too and has got high praises from legends of being the best bowler in the world at that time.

 

[h_hurricane]

Siraj is an outside chance as well to get into the team when he retires. Except for Srinath, the other 10 here are almost sure of their place. Shami/Zaheer/Ishant/Siraj are strong contenders to replace Srinath.

Probably, we should still have Amar or Nissar there instead of Srinath till a worthy contender can replace him. Amar can bat well too and has got high praises from legends of being the best bowler in the world at that time.

Also resolves Burgey's issues with Srinath bowling to Hutton, Hobbs and Hammond. Amar Singh bowled at 2 of them and did well. In fact Hutton praised him as "There is no better bowler in the world today than Amar Singh"

 

[ankitj]

Genuinely feel Srinath would have fared far better with better support around him.

Had the potential to be as good as Wasim Akram I'm told.

 

[Ymaxxx]

Jadeja
Kapil
Ashwin/Gupte/Kumble
Shami
Bumrah

This is India's best bowling line-up. Sad compared to others but at least it bats deep (if Ashwin plays).

its definetly a bit sad Bumrah who only debuted 4 years back is already in. I think Srinath should be given ahead even if he was mediocre as of now. (until bumrah gets 2-3 more years into his career)

Ashwin is good but not world class due to his away record and playing home twice the amount of away, but he can bat so theres that to level it.

Jadeja in an atg lineup is sad really. You'll realise he isnt a good bowler only when you see the darth of home games hes played and his odi career too. But on the other hand so is Kumble. Has a 38 away record, yet gets classified as world great due to longevity which was only because india didnt have anything better to replace him with.

Now Jadeja can bat, but thats uneeded especially in a bowling lineup like this that requires bowling as a priority. Kumble can hold his crease so, he can go ahead of Jadeja.

Siraj, might be the only good hope at making this lineup good if he has an outstanding career like the way he performed in australia

 

[ataraxia]

But on the other hand so is Kumble. Has a 38 away record

no he doesn't

 

[Ymaxxx]

no he doesn't

typo, 36*

 

[Burgey]

Siraj is an outside chance as well

He’s terrific. Just a great talent.

 

[stephen]

Yeah Siraj looked the goods, but how many fast bowlers burst onto the scene and then are cooked by injury within a few years. Jury is still well and truly out on him.

 

[Burgey]

Oh this is ****ing superb. genuinely one of the best things I've seen in ages.

 

[Burgey]

They won’t get to face him, because they’ll be darted out by the GOAT Jadeja

You're suggesting Jadeja will be taking the new ball then. This isn't the 1890s ffs. If spinners are opening the bowling on anything other than day five or in bad light, then there's something horribly wrong with your cricketing culture. And if Jadeja is going to open the bowling then you won't want a quick like Srinath in your side anyway.