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2nd Test at the MCG, Melbourne, 26 Dec - 30 Dec 2020

cnerd123

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well yeah that's my point though. the noise appears whilst the ball and bat aren't together. under the protocols that is not out, and usually is correctly given as not out.
There has to be a spike when the ball passes the bat. If there is a spike before or after the ball passes then it's ignored right?

The screenshot you posted is before the ball passed the bat. Go ahead a frame or two and there is a spike when the ball is possibly in contact with the bat, and so the out decision.
 

Spark

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There has to be a spike when the ball passes the bat. If there is a spike before or after the ball passes then it's ignored right?

The screenshot you posted is before the ball passed the bat. Go ahead a frame or two and there is a spike when the ball is possibly in contact with the bat, and so the out decision.
yeah but the spike is already present
 

harsh.ag

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There has to be a spike when the ball passes the bat. If there is a spike before or after the ball passes then it's ignored right?

The screenshot you posted is before the ball passed the bat. Go ahead a frame or two and there is a spike when the ball is possibly in contact with the bat, and so the out decision.
Why was the hotspot ignored, what's the balance of probability attached to the different technologies?
 

morgieb

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There has to be a spike when the ball passes the bat. If there is a spike before or after the ball passes then it's ignored right?

The screenshot you posted is before the ball passed the bat. Go ahead a frame or two and there is a spike when the ball is possibly in contact with the bat, and so the out decision.
Yeah but that's evidence to say he might've hit it, not that he 100% did. There clearly wasn't enough evidence to overturn the umpire's decision.
 

Gnske

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Howard not having a spine is both a blessing and a curse depending on who he's commentating with. With a decent one he can get interesting answers out of his co-commentators, with a bad one he just lets them run ragged.
It worked better in the Big Bash when all he had to deal with was Ponting giving non-stop gems, Fleming and Gilchrist talking pointlessly and endlessly and Mark Waugh being incredibly charismatic and not depressing at all. The interactions were generally far better. The Kevin Pietersen era being the notable dark age.
 

mr_mister

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Evidence on one but not both of hotspot n snicko should be equiv of umpires call with hawkeye and not enough to overturn on field decision
 

Spark

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Evidence on one but not both of hotspot n snicko should be equiv of umpires call with hawkeye and not enough to overturn on field decision
nah, hotspot is too unreliable for this. it misses a ton of obvious nicks. there's a case for not bothering with it at all tbh, the cases where it's useful are very niche and marginal.
 

cnerd123

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yeah but the spike is already present
I don't think thats relevant as per the protocols, or atleast not unless there is something else possibly touching the bat at the same time (like the pad). I assume the system does not pick up sounds like feet shuffling, handles cracking, slip fielders snapping their fingers, etc. If it did that would make it a massively useless system.

Why was the hotspot ignored, what's the balance of probability attached to the different technologies?
Dunnow. I'm not a fan of DRS at all. Think it just creates more problems as we've seen here.
 

Spark

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I don't think thats relevant as per the protocols, or atleast not unless there is something else possibly touching the bat at the same time (like the pad). I assume the system does not pick up sounds like feet shuffling, handles cracking, slip fielders snapping their fingers, etc. If it did that would make it a massively useless system.


Dunnow. I'm not a fan of DRS at all. Think it just creates more problems as we've seen here.
i mean, sound doesn't travel backwards in time. if a sound has appeared before the ball has reached the bat, then...
 

cnerd123

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Also does anyone think Paine did not hit that watching the full speed replays with audio? The snicks sounds clear. Faint but definite woody sound.
 

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