The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Prince EWS]

The "fielding is more important in a 50 over contest than any other format" XI

Gilchrist
Jayasuriya
Richards
Ponting
MWaugh
Symonds
Rhodes
Flintoff
Wasim
Warne
Garner

Needs another bowler IMO. Getting ten overs out of Jayasuriya, Richards and Mark Waugh could be risky. Ponting rolling the arm over wouldn't end well, let alone the rest of the bats in that team.

 

[a massive zebra]

The "fielding is more important in a 50 over contest than any other format" XI

Gilchrist
Jayasuriya
Richards
Ponting
MWaugh
Symonds
Rhodes
Flintoff
Wasim
Warne
Garner

Warne was a very overrated fielder IMO. The Australian commentators often talked him up as a great slip fielder which I always thought as nothing but baseless hero worship. He certainly took plenty of blinders, but in my experience he wasn't a reliable catcher and dropped a higher proportion of catching opportunities than a lot of other slip fielders.

 

[Red]

Warne was a very overrated fielder IMO. The Australian commentators often talked him up as a great slip fielder which I always thought as nothing but baseless hero worship. He certainly took plenty of blinders, but in my experience he wasn't a reliable catcher and dropped a higher proportion of catching opportunities than a lot of other slip fielders.

meh

by the time I got to the bowlers i'd lost interest in this exercise anyway. put who you like in there. i thought warne was ok and we need someone to stand at slip so the rest of the lads can be in the ring and i couldn't put murali in there

 

[TheJediBrah]

Warne was a very overrated fielder IMO. The Australian commentators often talked him up as a great slip fielder which I always thought as nothing but baseless hero worship. He certainly took plenty of blinders, but in my experience he wasn't a reliable catcher and dropped a higher proportion of catching opportunities than a lot of other slip fielders.

I've always said this. Warne was a decent slip fielder at best. I get the feeling he was mostly in the slips because he was too slow to field anywhere else rather than he was a particularly good slip fielder.

meh

by the time I got to the bowlers i'd lost interest in this exercise anyway. put who you like in there. i thought warne was ok and we need someone to stand at slip so the rest of the lads can be in the ring and i couldn't put murali in there

You've got Waugh, Ponting and Flintoff already who were all slippers. How many slips do you need in an ODI

 

[stephen]

Depends if McGrath is bowling or not.

 

[a massive zebra]

meh

by the time I got to the bowlers i'd lost interest in this exercise anyway. put who you like in there. i thought warne was ok and we need someone to stand at slip so the rest of the lads can be in the ring and i couldn't put murali in there

Sure, Warne definitely was okay at slip. Nothing more, nothing less. But an okay fielder doesn't really merit a place in a "fielding is more important in a 50 over contest than any other format" XI. You already have Mark Waugh, Ricky Ponting and Andrew Flintoff in your side so how many slips do you need?

Murali was an excellent fielder off his own bowling for much of his career IMO, although if you are picking a team purely based on fielding abilities, the likes of Roger Harper or Ravi Jadeja would definitely be better suited for the spin bowlers role.

 

[honestbharani]

meh

by the time I got to the bowlers i'd lost interest in this exercise anyway. put who you like in there. i thought warne was ok and we need someone to stand at slip so the rest of the lads can be in the ring and i couldn't put murali in there

Anderson is a brilliant fielder. He should be in the XI somewhere.

 

[trundler]

How does that side not have Boult?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Anderson is a brilliant fielder. He should be in the XI somewhere.

It was supposed to be an ODI team, those selected still need to be at least borderline ATG ODI Cricketers (or ATVG). Anderson doesn't quite fit in with the rest in that regard. If it was a Test team, maybe.

 

[honestbharani]

fair enough.

 

[trundler]

Waugh
Gilchrist
Ponting
Richards
Symonds
Rhodes
Flintoff
Kapil
Warne
Boult
Garner

 

[Daemon]

How does that side not have Boult?

Yeah Boult’s gotta be there. Best fast bowling fielder ever afaik, excluding the all rounders.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Yeah Boult’s gotta be there. Best fast bowling fielder ever afaik, excluding the all rounders.

I agree. If only he hadn't stood on the boundary rope in the CWC final.

 

[Red]

You've got Waugh, Ponting and Flintoff already who were all slippers. How many slips do you need in an ODI

Sure, Warne definitely was okay at slip. Nothing more, nothing less. But an okay fielder doesn't really merit a place in a "fielding is more important in a 50 over contest than any other format" XI. You already have Mark Waugh, Ricky Ponting and Andrew Flintoff in your side so how many slips do you need?

Murali was an excellent fielder off his own bowling for much of his career IMO, although if you are picking a team purely based on fielding abilities, the likes of Roger Harper or Ravi Jadeja would definitely be better suited for the spin bowlers role.

you guys even read the post of mine you quoted for these replies?

 

[Red]

btw there's no fkn way I'm gonna listen to someone arguing for Murali over Warne in a fielding XI. whether you think warne belongs or not, there's no way Murali belongs OVER Warne.

As I said, I didn't put much thought into the bowlers. Happy with Jadeja or Harper, both good options.

 

[Red]

How does that side not have Boult?

Probably because I didn't put all that much thought into it. He can replace Wasim or Flintoff I guess. Garner's staying because he was a genuine gun in the gully.

 

[Red]

M Waugh
A Gilchrist
V Richards
R Ponting
A Symonds
AB DeVilliers
J Rhodes
A Flintoff
R Jadeja
T Boult
J Garner

 

[TheJediBrah]

btw there's no fkn way I'm gonna listen to someone arguing for Murali over Warne in a fielding XI. whether you think warne belongs or not, there's no way Murali belongs OVER Warne.

As I said, I didn't put much thought into the bowlers. Happy with Jadeja or Harper, both good options.

I always shrug when someone says Murali was a good fielder too. I only saw the second half of his career so he probably was a lot better when he was younger but from what I saw he was one of the worst fielders I saw at international level lol. Like truly atrocious.

 

[Red]

I always shrug when someone says Murali was a good fielder too. I only saw the second half of his career so he probably was a lot better when he was younger but from what I saw he was one of the worst fielders I saw at international level lol. Like truly atrocious.

From what I saw, he was a bloke who was reasonably competent at mid on or mid off, but absolutely nothing special.

Should say, his throwing arm was a weapon, just not so much in the field.

 

[honestbharani]

90s Murali was defnitely a brilliant fielder but the strengths of Warne and Murali are so completely different, as fielders that it is almost impossible to compare. Murali was very quick across the turf and dived around a lot. And @Red 's sour grapes notwithstanding,, he actually did have a very good arm from the outfield before his shoulder surgery. Warne was very good at the slips and a very safe catcher I guess. He kinda suffers in comparison coz Australia always seemed to have some of the best slippers in the world and taking over Mark Taylor's position can never be easy. But he was very good and had great ball sense in the slips too.

Neither were as bad as some of you make it seem though. I do actually think Jadeja is the better fielder but if you already have Sobers in the XI, having a left arm orthodox option may not be necessary. I would go with either of Murali-Warne depending on the make up of the side. If you got enough class slip fielders, then pick Murali. If you got good outfielders, then pick Warne and get him in the slips