*Official* West Indies Tour of England 2020

[StephenZA]

sa fc cricket is historically very good

91JMay is right to an extent, SA FC competition does have its problems at the moment... but still serious talent and ability sitting at FC level and just below.

The batting can get worse, that's a logical fallacy. Maybe the young talent isn't that good, maybe they are all time greats. You don't know it's going to get better, especially coming from such a terrible FC comp.

I am making a deductive educated guess without actually having the ability to see into future. This is based on the number of talented batsmen under the age of 25/26 in SA (better than its been for awhile), and needing only 2 or 3 of them to be better than what is a weak SA top 6 at the moment.

Interestingly enough SA allrounders are improving as well... which we had a lack of for a few years as well.

 

[Beamer]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricke...l-sam-billings-david-willey-back-face-ireland.

Squad for the Ireland ODI series announced. Sam hain still lacking a cap.

Strange to have Denly there. Ed Smith seems like a very odd character who has hunches about certain players. Must be a bit maddening.

 

[vcs]

really? i seem to remember ryder batting forever at the basin as well as at napier.

the bowling was grim. martin was in the middle of his bowl acres outside off stump phase iirc, and we had a fascination with jeetan patel. that left the underrated o'brien and vettori.

our top 3 were just as trash. guptill-someone-flynn iirc.

you almost lost to us in 2010 on your own turf too if not for ishant h4x in the third test and that horrible finger spinning bastard slogging india to a draw. that series was absolutely mental. how were you even in a position to lose a series to us in india? jfc

Yeah, there was a couple of sessions rained out on the last day of the 3rd Test with you 8 down IIRC

Both teams in that era had very mediocre bowling TBH, we huffed and puffed just as much to bowl you out in the 2010 return series until the 3rd Test when the series was on the line. India got to No. 1 purely by having a resilient batting lineup and having Zaheer/Harbhajan bowl one or two good spells per series.

 

[Victor Ian]

West Indies need to claim corona virus outbreak. If that guy can fake cramps, surely the team can all start coughing and stuff and have the game called off due to corona outbreak.

 

[91Jmay]

It's not very good at the moment. "Terrible" is massively stretching it given the base they started from and.. every other country's FC comp... but it has certainly declined in quality.

Calling it terrible wasn't really in relation to other FC competitions more so vs Test matches, as that was the discussion. There is basically only most Aussie FC and a few English FC games that are even approaching the level required to not be called terrible tbh.

 

[91Jmay]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricke...l-sam-billings-david-willey-back-face-ireland.

Squad for the Ireland ODI series announced. Sam hain still lacking a cap.

As Dobell points out, Sam Hain has the highest List A average ever in 50+ innings. No cap.

 

[honestbharani]

will pump our tyres and say you guys seem to really hate coming here. even arguably your best side ever still scraped past vettori's side 1-0 on the motorways nzc ordered because they were scared of the bcci throwing a fit.

even the tour just gone, i really expected that to be a doozy given india are a quality side and we had just spent three tests pretending to be bangladesh.

you do know SENA includes NZ right?

 

[Flem274*]

Calling it terrible wasn't really in relation to other FC competitions more so vs Test matches, as that was the discussion. There is basically only most Aussie FC and a few English FC games that are even approaching the level required to not be called terrible tbh.

holy **** hahahahahaha

you've barely got a top order, in fact you gave up this game and picked a pile of bowlers instead, and you're claiming english fc as the cream of domestic cricket?

spare me. jeetan ****ing patel took wickets for fun in that comp, then there's second division...

 

[Flem274*]

ftr the best domestic cricket is the indian zone stuff, aus, sa and nz with test players available.

not the comp where jeets, henry and jesse ****ing ryder go to pad their bowling averages.

 

[91Jmay]

holy **** hahahahahaha

you've barely got a top order, in fact you gave up this game and picked a pile of bowlers instead, and you're claiming english fc as the cream of domestic cricket?

spare me. jeetan ****ing patel took wickets for fun in that comp, then there's second division...

I said a few games you absolute melt, literally a couple of counties have a reasonable standard of FC cricket. You are genuinely demented mate, constant victim complex. Not got over the world cup I don't think, shame. Small time mentality.

 

[Flem274*]

Not got over the world cup I don't think, shame.

i like how this is the go to insult from the more frail poms like yourself. there's no shame in being on the wrong side of a jammy stich up, there's only shame in benefiting from it.

fyi im targeting you specifically rather than english cricket this time because you're talking out of your arse. there are actual statistical measures from people on this forum putting the indian zone stuff as the cream of the crop iirc, and i tend to agree with it.

ftr since you're so interested my burgey 08 epiphany was not the 2019 wc final, but your tour here after.

 

[91Jmay]

i like how this is the go to insult from the more frail poms like yourself. there's no shame in being on the wrong side of a jammy stich up, there's only shame in benefiting from it.

fyi im targeting you specifically rather than english cricket this time because you're talking out of your arse. there are actual statistical measure putting the indian zone stuff as the cream of the crop iirc, and i tend to agree with it.

ftr since you're so interested my burgey 08 epiphany was not the 2019 wc final, but your tour here after.

ftr the best domestic cricket is the indian zone stuff, aus, sa and nz with test players available.

not the comp where jeets, henry and jesse ****ing ryder go to pad their bowling averages.

NZ first class cricket is only halfway reasonable because of the amount of Saffers plundering over there. Ye Indian Zone stuff is good, although no Test players ever really play in it.

 

[Flem274*]

NZ first class cricket is only halfway reasonable because of the amount of Saffers plundering over there.

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do i need to point out the obvious? or should i be gentle and just acknowledge devon conway should be applauded for both his success in the past two years and not taking the english pound like all of his countrymen?

 

[honestbharani]

The Indian Zone stuff is also basically becoming the backyard for anything funky they wanna try. The quality is good because the players happen to be good. I like the RSA set up the best - provincial feeding to franchise feeding to national. If England can come up with some kind of provincial set up on top of the county system, I see that becoming the best FC competition in the world. Likewise if they ever allow the IPL franchises to compete for trophies in all 3 formats. Not sure if NZ can reduce the number of teams any further. Maybe a series of North V South games?

 

[91Jmay]

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do i need to point out the obvious? or should i be gentle and just acknowledge devon conway should be applauded for both his success in the past two years and not taking the english pound like all of his countrymen?

Because taking the Kiwi Dollar is much more ethical Strange, strange bloke. There is basically no good first class cricket in the world in relation to Test cricket, a smattering of games across the world each year. Not sure how that is debateble, but I am sure you will continue to be offended by the premise.

 

[trundler]

Now that they have a provincial only setup QeA Trophy is bound to improve too. Sadly no more of Habib Bank vs Water and Power Development Authority though.

 

[Flem274*]

Because taking the Kiwi Dollar is much more ethical

unsurprisingly, you didn't get the joke

several fc comps are pretty respectable and have indicated how players might fare if elevated in the past decade or even longer in the case of aus and sa.

case in point, australian batsmen with one or two solid seasons and middling fc records achieved middling results in test cricket. long term warhorses like voges with good records and in a purple patch carried it through to test cricket. the system did its job and showed what would probably happen.

 

[Flem274*]

Now that they have a provincial only setup QeA Trophy is bound to improve too. Sadly no more of Habib Bank vs Water and Power Development Authority though.

what? no, change it back

 

[trundler]

Because taking the Kiwi Dollar is much more ethical Strange, strange bloke. There is basically no good first class cricket in the world in relation to Test cricket, a smattering of games across the world each year. Not sure how that is debateble, but I am sure you will continue to be offended by the premise.

Come on, fella. You're obviously backtracking from your original statement. When one calls something terrible its obviously in relation to other things of its kind unless explicitly stated. You had no idea about the standard of FC cricket in SA, got schooled and that's that. No shame. Or do you guy around saying chocolate ice cream is terrible but only in relation to lightbulbs without saying the latter half?

 

[91Jmay]

unsurprisingly, you didn't get the joke

several fc comps are pretty respectable and have indicated how players might fare if elevated in the past decade or even longer in the case of aus and sa.

case in point, australian batsmen with one or two solid seasons and middling fc records achieved middling results in test cricket. long term warhorses like voges with good records and in a purple patch carried it through to test cricket. the system did its job and showed what would probably happen.

Yes, Aus is clearly the gold standard of FC cricket as I mentioned. Thanks for repeating me.

SA FC cricket has deteriorated hugely thanks to England and NZ stealing their players.