*Official* West Indies Tour of England 2020

[Flem274*]

Nah NZ have a real problem with Australia. Won 1, drawn 1 and lost 10 this decade and haven't won a series in forever.

we have a real issue with both but the south african tours are a little more understandable. captaincygate then that tour where steyn bowled one that literally rolled.

though we do look south africa in the eye at home and they were bloody lucky to win down here last time. australia easily the team we go into full meltdown against. it's really quite an achievement how well we can imitate 2001 bangladesh when playing aus.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

We (NZ) have never won a test series vs SA (2-2 away in 1962 and 1-1 at home in 2003 are our best results). We lost the 2017 series 1-0 when we were the better side (day 5 washed out in the 1st and 3rd tests with wins looking probable and cleaned up by Maharaj in the 2nd).

At least we're their bogey team in World Cups (currently 6-2 after 8 WC matches).

 

[Flem274*]

SLwere able to beat Pak away a few times too, IIRC. Guessing they are each others' bogey teams? India is basically bogey for anyone coming here and SENA is bogey for us.

will pump our tyres and say you guys seem to really hate coming here. even arguably your best side ever still scraped past vettori's side 1-0 on the motorways nzc ordered because they were scared of the bcci throwing a fit.

even the tour just gone, i really expected that to be a doozy given india are a quality side and we had just spent three tests pretending to be bangladesh.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Well we've only ever won 2 series against Australia (both in 85/86).

 

[Beamer]

might be worth looking at the batsmen with the best conversion rates. west indian domestic decks will cause everyone problems early in their innings, but bad pitches also produce speculative batsmen who play as many shots as possible because a hand grenade is coming anyway. if you can find who is lasting the longest once they're as in as you can be on your domestic decks, you might find guys with some ruthlessness they can bring to test level.

blackwood and hetmyer are really good examples of talented players ruined by developing on terrible decks. compulsive shot players, so averaging in the mid 30s is inevitable.

Not a bad idea. Tbh the pitches have been excellent over the last 2 years so we can start to pick on merit guys that average 50 or more. The problem is they've grown up and terrible pitches so it will take a whole for them to get used to converting.

 

[StephenZA]

We (NZ) have never won a test series vs SA (2-2 away in 1962 and 1-1 at home in 2003 are our best results). We lost the 2017 series 1-0 when we were the better side (day 5 washed out in the 1st and 3rd tests with wins looking probable and cleaned up by Maharaj in the 2nd).

SA got away with that series... totally undeserved, papered over some huge cracks for an extra 18 months.

 

[Beamer]

Quick shout out to Shannon Gabriel who I thought should have been rested and has looked very tired but yet still was bowling at 93mph yesterday and giving everything he had. Pretty amazing stuff. I can't fault our bowlers in these circumstances tbh.

 

[Prince EWS]

might be worth looking at the batsmen with the best conversion rates. west indian domestic decks will cause everyone problems early in their innings, but bad pitches also produce speculative batsmen who play as many shots as possible because a hand grenade is coming anyway. if you can find who is lasting the longest once they're as in as you can be on your domestic decks, you might find guys with some ruthlessness they can bring to test level.

blackwood and hetmyer are really good examples of talented players ruined by developing on terrible decks. compulsive shot players, so averaging in the mid 30s is inevitable.

Yeah but then you're just recalling Devon Smith for the 84th time.

I approve of this tbf.

 

[Pothas]

West Indies are definitely our bogey team, compared to how well everyone else does against them. Always take a test off us and we got smashed in Barbados last year.

Strangely the last two sides to win a series in England (SA and SL) are the teams that we have done the best against ever since.

Pakistan something of a bogey team too.

Think the recent homes series against West Indies are pretty much in line with most series in England, they are liable to drop a Test against pretty much anyone but will usually win the series. Away for sure though, although they have been pretty bad most places apart from as you say South Africa where they always seem to do well and that Sri Lanka series.

 

[91Jmay]

From where SA batting is now and based on the young talent that is sitting at FC level, SA batting can only improve... of course this requires good selection policy, not losing the players and of course overcoming the internal problems within Cricket SA.

The batting can get worse, that's a logical fallacy. Maybe the young talent isn't that good, maybe they are all time greats. You don't know it's going to get better, especially coming from such a terrible FC comp.

 

[vcs]

will pump our tyres and say you guys seem to really hate coming here. even arguably your best side ever still scraped past vettori's side 1-0 on the motorways nzc ordered because they were scared of the bcci throwing a fit.

even the tour just gone, i really expected that to be a doozy given india are a quality side and we had just spent three tests pretending to be bangladesh.

We should have won that tour 2-0 if not for rain (and dumb captaincy by Dhoni).. but your bowling attack in that period was well below the standard you've usually had in our other visits. TBF they were bowling to our best ever batting lineup, with Sachin in the middle of one of his best runs of form ever.

I think you also lost at home to England, Australia, Pakistan around that period so it was not a particularly strong team.

 

[Flem274*]

The batting can get worse, that's a logical fallacy. Maybe the young talent isn't that good, maybe they are all time greats. You don't know it's going to get better, especially coming from such a terrible FC comp.

sa fc cricket is historically very good

 

[Pothas]

South Africa just always produce good cricketers as well, even with all the problems you would expect them to get better.

 

[MW1304]

Carlos Brathwaite has been so good on TMS, seems like a great guy with some perspective who really thinks about the game.

Not yet the best at ball-by-ball but meh, he's been a find otherwise.

 

[Prince EWS]

sa fc cricket is historically very good

It's not very good at the moment. "Terrible" is massively stretching it given the base they started from and.. every other country's FC comp... but it has certainly declined in quality.

 

[Beamer]

I wouldn't mind John Campbell dropping down the order actually. Might not work with Blackwood there as well but I really like the way he hits the ball. Touch too aggressive to open with though

Campbell deserved his chance. Ironically, in FC cricket Campbell often smokes the pacers and then gets out to a spinner. Which would be the only problem with batting him in the middle, he is not the best player of spin.

 

[OverratedSanity]

will pump our tyres and say you guys seem to really hate coming here. even arguably your best side ever still scraped past vettori's side 1-0 on the motorways nzc ordered because they were scared of the bcci throwing a fit.

even the tour just gone, i really expected that to be a doozy given india are a quality side and we had just spent three tests pretending to be bangladesh.

Should definitely have won more tests in NZ with the 90s- 2000s team. They only toured twice the entire decade but still. Even the 1-0 win felt kinda underwhelming because that was the weakest NZ team by far in the last 20 years or so. The series in 98-99 was especially frustrating... had NZ on the ropes in the 4th innings after a great sachin ton and then a bullshit partnesrhip from Mcmillan and Cairns took the game away.

 

[Flem274*]

We should have won that tour 2-0 if not for rain (and dumb captaincy by Dhoni).. but your bowling attack in that period was well below the standard you've usually had in our other visits. TBF they were bowling to our best ever batting lineup, with Sachin in the middle of one of his best runs of form ever.

really? i seem to remember ryder batting forever at the basin as well as at napier.

the bowling was grim. martin was in the middle of his bowl acres outside off stump phase iirc, and we had a fascination with jeetan patel. that left the underrated o'brien and vettori.

our top 3 were just as trash. guptill-someone-flynn iirc.

you almost lost to us in 2010 on your own turf too if not for ishant h4x in the third test and that horrible finger spinning bastard slogging india to a draw. that series was absolutely mental. how were you even in a position to lose a series to us in india? jfc

 

[Flem274*]

Should definitely have won more tests in NZ with the 90s- 2000s team. They only toured twice the entire decade but still. Even the 1-0 win felt kinda underwhelming because that was the weakest NZ team by far in the last 20 years or so. The series in 98-99 was especially frustrating... had NZ on the ropes in the 4th innings after a great sachin ton and then a bullshit partnesrhip from Mcmillan and Cairns took the game away.

was a bit before my time but mcmillan scoring last minute runs to save his spot and troll the opposition sounds like him.

 

[Nintendo]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricke...l-sam-billings-david-willey-back-face-ireland.

Squad for the Ireland ODI series announced. Sam hain still lacking a cap.