The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[honestbharani]

When did Steve Smith dominate Anderson in England?

 

[Starfighter]

When did Steve Smith dominate Anderson in England?

The 215 at Lords in 2015. Anderson 0/99 off 26.

 

[honestbharani]

I will have to dig through but I don't remember him dominating Anderson. I think Anderson is the very type of bowler, in England, who will annoy Steve Smith. Not taking away his greatness or the fact that is ATG already but there are always some match ups that you feel will work out better. Anderson hates giving away runs, Steve Smith hates getting out, I see it being more of a stalemate than a win either way and I suppose with Steve Smith, getting to a stalemate is in itself a win.

What I mean is, the games he accelerated in the 2019 Ashes, he would have had to work harder had Anderson been part of the attack in those conditions.

 

[Flem274*]

(except Wagner I guess).

some boomer is gonna hold this against smith so hard. couldn't take wagner, the great west indies would kill him.

ignoring the fact smith has lasted longer than anyone i've ever seen against peak wagnerball on decks that suit it, and still contributed solid scores.

 

[stephen]

I think what was clear after the last Australian summer was that Smith doesn't know how to handle a competent team around him. What on Earth is he to do when he's coming in with 150+ on the board instead of the usual 2/30?

 

[vcs]

He wasn't too hot against SA either in the Sandpapergate tour.

 

[srbhkshk]

More of mental issues than technical to be fair.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Anderson almost always goes missing in the Ashes, saying that he has caused Smith considerable problems over the years is frankly laughable

Unless you count 2010 Smith that is

 

[stephen]

Anderson has got him 6 times in 22 matches. Hardly his bunny or anything. Broad has done better against him.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Broad has done better against Australia full stop.

 

[honestbharani]

Anderson almost always goes missing in the Ashes, saying that he has caused Smith considerable problems over the years is frankly laughable

Unless you count 2010 Smith that is

Anderson has got him 6 times in 22 matches. Hardly his bunny or anything. Broad has done better against him.

Who here said either of these things?

 

[stephen]

When did Steve Smith dominate Anderson in England?

I will have to dig through but I don't remember him dominating Anderson. I think Anderson is the very type of bowler, in England, who will annoy Steve Smith. Not taking away his greatness or the fact that is ATG already but there are always some match ups that you feel will work out better. Anderson hates giving away runs, Steve Smith hates getting out, I see it being more of a stalemate than a win either way and I suppose with Steve Smith, getting to a stalemate is in itself a win.

What I mean is, the games he accelerated in the 2019 Ashes, he would have had to work harder had Anderson been part of the attack in those conditions.

Who here said either of these things?

Here

 

[Daemon]

Here

"Don't remember him dominating Anderson", "stalemate", "work harder had Anderson been part of the attack"

doesn't mean

"has caused Smith considerable problems" or "is his bunny"

 

[stephen]

In the 9 tests Smith has played against Anderson in England he's made 4 hundreds at an average of 61.7.

Even if you take out the last test where Anderson injured himself, Smith has score 2 hundreds (one a double) in 8 tests at an average of 57. And that includes two tours before he went into god mode.

 

[stephen]

It's fair to say he's dominated Anderson in England, just like he's dominated everyone else.

 

[vcs]

He's got a pretty insane record against England. I remember his tons in the 2013-14 Johnson Ashes, they were on (relatively) bowler friendly tracks.

 

[mr_mister]

yeah there's no point trying to pretend Smith hasn't done anything but dominate English bowlers the last 3-4 series, more or less. Archer had him rattled for a moment of course, but didn't get him out and then let him get 200 the next game

Bloke's literally hit like 1500 runs @ 130 in his last 10 tests against the old enemy, nitpicking things like bu-bu-but Anderson could have stopped him just looks silly. English bowlers simply aren't good enough against him.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Take out the 2010 tour where Smith was nowhere near the player he became, and he has fallen to Anderson three times in 19 tests, on 53, 111 and 239 respectively. That is most certainly not a stalemate. I would love to know exactly how many runs he has scored against the bowling of Anderson from 2013 onwards, but unfortunately there is no straightforward way to do so

 

[mr_mister]

Smith has pretty much already done enough to be considered the second greatest batsman in ashes contests really. This isn't even a we must wait til his career his done to properly assess him type thing. It's Bradman, than Smith, then we can argue about Hammond, Hutton, Waugh and Ponting et all if we want til the cows come home

 

[trundler]

Smith has pretty much already done enough to be considered the second greatest batsman in ashes contests really. This isn't even a we must wait til his career his done to properly assess him type thing. It's Bradman, than Smith, then we can argue about Hammond, Hutton, Waugh and Ponting and stuff if we want

Hobbs was ridiculously good. Most 100s in Australia. Barrington averaged about 70 in Australia, which is what Sutcliffe averaged against them overall. I think it's clearly Hobbs 2nd still.