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***Official*** English Football Season 2019-20

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Sorry, misinterpreted your comment about it being a joke.

The fact of the matter is that there was never going to be a solution that was financially viable and would keep everyone happy.

That said, I think the play-offs should've been scrapped as if the clubs vote to finish the season they can't then carry on and play games (and in one case I believe ask for handouts as they can't afford to play the play-offs).

I do sympathise with Tranmere and would do so even if it weren't for GIMH but have yet to see a convincing reason why the season being made null and void would be a fairer solution for those at the top who would be denied promotion than those at the bottom who might've avoided relegation - and in terms of finances it would be a lot worse.
Scrapping the play-offs and the promotion spot they come with would have been a reasonable outcome, even if I am biased

In terms of your financial point - sort of - but it's the difference between being given a paycut and denied a payrise isn't it?
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Scrapping the play-offs and the promotion spot they come with would have been a reasonable outcome, even if I am biased

In terms of your financial point - sort of - but it's the difference between being given a paycut and denied a payrise isn't it?
Just a bit, again though, we had probably as good a chance of getting top 3 as you had remaining up, but TBH I am losing the will to live here, your propaganda here is too ingrained:laugh:.

One thing which might be interesting is that swindon could be heading to administration, not sure how that will effect anything, they did their promotion almost totally on Loans, can't see how they'll do much in the higher division, could be another Bury. Again feel there are twists to come before next season starts.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Haha, no I don't think it'd be fair to deny you either. Ultimately I don't think any of it is fair. I just despair at the rigid nature that goes along with applying a completely bonkers and distorted method to deciding a league table. If lopsided divisions weren't an option then teams facing relegation could have been involved in play-offs etc. If we had the chance to play for our place and then lsot it, I'd absolutely be fine with that. But instead Exeter and co get to play for our place but we don't get to play to save it.

Anyway, I'll never stop bleating about this until we are back in L1 and even then I probably won't because of the years that will have been stolen from us. Meh.
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
The Play Off thing is a red herring. There were 4 promotion spots available irrespective of Play Offs. League One has no relevance to that.

Anyway half of League 2 will probably have 12 points deducted for going into administration at some point in the next few months so Tranmere could make a swift return. Unless they waive the points deduction in the circumstances.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
The Play Off thing is a red herring. There were 4 promotion spots available irrespective of Play Offs. League One has no relevance to that.

Anyway half of League 2 will probably have 12 points deducted for going into administration at some point in the next few months so Tranmere could make a swift return. Unless they waive the points deduction in the circumstances.
It's not a red herring though, as my point is they should have removed the play-offs and the spot that came with it.

Anyway. Going round in circles. **** the EFL
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
It's not a red herring though, as my point is they should have removed the play-offs and the spot that came with it.

Anyway. Going round in circles. **** the EFL
The fourth spot predates the Play Offs. The Play Offs are just the way it’s currently decided. It doesn’t exist because of them. But like you say “circles”.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Why does L2 get an extra spot anyway? Not complaining, we benefitted last year. Just never quite got why it gets an extra spot
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
Why does L2 get an extra spot anyway? Not complaining, we benefitted last year. Just never quite got why it gets an extra spot
When I first started watching it had two more places than the other divisions. I think it was due to the number of teams in each division. When the regional lower leagues ended Divisions 1 & 2 had 22 teams and Divisions 3 & 4 had 24. I think they considered that two relegation places out of 22 teams was the right number. So there was only 2 up 2 down between the top three divisions. With the extra two teams in the bottom two divisions they could have 4 up 4 down between the two. It only changed to 3 up 3 down between the the top three divisions in the mid 70’s. You could argue that there could be four relegated from the second tier now it has 24 teams, but I think there would be a lot of resistance.
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
I don't think I've ever looked forward to a season less from my own team's (Plymouth Argyle) point of view. Somehow contrived to get relegated from a diabolical standard League One, and now have the prospect of a day out in Salford knowing that some of Fergie's underlings might turn up. With a new manager only just appointed and the only half a dozen half decent players leaving. The only tiny shred to hang on to is that he (Ryan Lowe) worked miracles to get Bury promoted from League Two last season.
My expectations for the season were low. The "day out in Salford" probably won us promotion with a last kick winner only a few games before lockdown. I'm still not a great fan of Ryan Lowe, but he must be the only man to achieve back to back promotions through fraudulent accounting one year and a virus the next.
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
The National League seem to have excelled themselves with their proposal. Deciding the table on PPG. That means Barrow go up. All good so far. They've decided now they will have Play Offs. If teams vote for it it means 6 teams coming out of hiding and for at least 2 and potential 4 teams it'll mean only one game. The two regional National League divisions are not considered "elite sport" so can't legally play anymore matches. So at the bottom of the National League there's only one relegation place. It would normally be four but was only three this year because an extra team is being lost at the top to replace Bury. That means only the Champions of the two divisions are going up with no second spot as there's no Play Offs permitted. It's too late now for the ELF lower league Play Offs to be affected as they're being squeezed in before the end of June, which means it'll be before the eased lockdown causes a second wave. If by a quirk of fate the Play Offs couldn't happen and the EFL follow the National League regional policy of no Play Offs meaning no promotion spot maybe Tranmere would be saved after all. :D

I think that's right...............
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The National League seem to have excelled themselves with their proposal. Deciding the table on PPG. That means Barrow go up. All good so far. They've decided now they will have Play Offs. If teams vote for it it means 6 teams coming out of hiding and for at least 2 and potential 4 teams it'll mean only one game. The two regional National League divisions are not considered "elite sport" so can't legally play anymore matches. So at the bottom of the National League there's only one relegation place. It would normally be four but was only three this year because an extra team is being lost at the top to replace Bury. That means only the Champions of the two divisions are going up with no second spot as there's no Play Offs permitted. It's too late now for the ELF lower league Play Offs to be affected as they're being squeezed in before the end of June, which means it'll be before the eased lockdown causes a second wave. If by a quirk of fate the Play Offs couldn't happen and the EFL follow the National League regional policy of no Play Offs meaning no promotion spot maybe Tranmere would be saved after all. :D

I think that's right...............
Clear as mud, but pretty much what you expect from that shambles, thank **** we aren't aywhere near there anymore. He said hoping he's not tempting fate.
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Works for me. I forget it is there most of the time but just takes away that training game feel.

The virtual crowd thing is rubbish but again I just ignore it after a while.
 

dontcloseyoureyes

BARNES OUT
Works for me. I forget it is there most of the time but just takes away that training game feel.
100% this. People have been whining about it since the NRL came back over here. It's just ****ing background noise ffs, who wants to hear the muppets yelling "on on on on" every time a player gets near?
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
150k it will cost us to put on the play-offs, if we lose, we will probably wish it had been null and void, the losing play-off teams look to be screwed whatever hapens, which is why it seems asounding that the National League are considering it.
 

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