*Official* Australia in India ODIs 2019/20

[Daemon]

Man if Rahul can keep this up with the bat and gloves it's super handy. Means we don't have to play Pant anymore who's had quite a poor LO run anyways.

Wonder if it's worth picking some of the obviously super talented top order batsmen who can't get in the side to bat in the lower middle order. Gill, Shaw and Agarwal in particular. I'd back them to be far better than the randoms we keep trying to fit into the side like Shankar and Dube who's bowling can and will often lose games.

5 bowlers including Jadeja and 6 batsmen with Rahul keeping. When Pandya comes back then he can replace one of the bowlers. Wish we had one guy who could bowl a few part timers at least to help him out though.

 

[ankitj]

Can't risk injury or fatigue with Rahul keeping wickets though.

 

[Shady Slim]

I think ODI and Test rankings can tell who lags how much than the other in both formats.

if you are prepared to accept that kohli is better than smith based on the rankings then you have to accept dave warner is the fifth best test batsman in the world and not a monster on bouncy roads who turns in to a literal damp potato when the ball so much as deviates an inch off the square and we both know that’s not the case

 

[Daemon]

Can't risk injury or fatigue with Rahul keeping wickets though.

eh it’s LO, fatigue really isn’t an issue

Injury more likely though.

 

[sunilz]

if you are prepared to accept that kohli is better than smith based on the rankings then you have to accept dave warner is the fifth best test batsman in the world and not a monster on bouncy roads who turns in to a literal damp potato when the ball so much as deviates an inch off the square and we both know that’s not the case

Yes he is imo .
Fab 4, Warner, Pujara are top 6 test batsman excluding Marnus who is new.

 

[Shady Slim]

Man if Rahul can keep this up with the bat and gloves it's super handy. Means we don't have to play Pant anymore who's had quite a poor LO run anyways.

Wonder if it's worth picking some of the obviously super talented top order batsmen who can't get in the side to bat in the lower middle order. Gill, Shaw and Agarwal in particular. I'd back them to be far better than the randoms we keep trying to fit into the side like Shankar and Dube who's bowling can and will often lose games.

5 bowlers including Jadeja and 6 batsmen with Rahul keeping. When Pandya comes back then he can replace one of the bowlers. Wish we had one guy who could bowl a few part timers at least to help him out though.

is pandya not good enough to play as one of the six bats so you’re not constrained to five bowlers? unless you’re talking krunal and not hardik

 

[sunilz]

Kohli is already test ATG as shown by DOG's rating. Only thing now matters is his longevity. He has proven himself in alien conditions more than Ponting, Richards , Sangakkara and Greg Chappell imo.

 

[Daemon]

is pandya not good enough to play as one of the six bats so you’re not constrained to five bowlers? unless you’re talking krunal and not hardik

Hardik probably is in T20s at least. In ODIs idk, I find we lose a lot of matches because of our ****** middle-lower order. Making it that brittle just to have 5.5-6 bowlers seems counterintuitive.

 

[shifty_eyes]

if you are prepared to accept that kohli is better than smith based on the rankings then you have to accept dave warner is the fifth best test batsman in the world and not a monster on bouncy roads who turns in to a literal damp potato when the ball so much as deviates an inch off the square and we both know that’s not the case

No you got it wrong. Smith is certainly the better Test batsman than Kohli and lost ranking points because of the ban. However the gulf between the two is far greater in ODIs. And by rankings I did not mean just the current rankings, but historically Kohli has been in top 5 almost always which is not true for Smith in ODIs.

 

[Shady Slim]

Yes he is imo .
Fab 4, Warner, Pujara are top 6 test batsman excluding Marnus who is new.

warner has a proven track record of being atg-quality in australia and south africa but being tailender quality in countries where the ball moves, and you just can’t say someone’s a top five bat in the world when they have such a black mark

Kohli is already test ATG as shown by DOG's rating. Only thing now matters is his longevity. He has proven himself in alien conditions more than Ponting, Richards , Sangakkara and Greg Chappell imo.

i would say kohli’s undoubtedly sure yeah for india but i wouldn’t say he’s all-world all-time just yet, because for me that’s a very special honour reserved for pretty much only smith, abdv, sanga, maybe amla, of guys this decade... but kohli can definitely get there as can kane and
others though

 

[srbhkshk]

The basic idea is that Kohli is the #2 test batsman in the world, Smith is not in the top 10 ODI batsman. The gap between them in ODIs is a lot more than the gap between them in tests even though there's a sizable gap in tests themselves.

 

[sunilz]

Kohli has more/same number of century in SENA countries than Richards + Ponting + Greg Chappell in Asia. He needs to prove nothing.
Smith with 4/5 centuries in Asia at 48 average is ATG and Kohli with 10/11 centuries outside Asia needs to prove himself. Give me a break.

 

[h_hurricane]

Kohli is Kohli and Smith is Smith.

Both are great ODI batsmen. One is probably a bit better than the other even if the other has accomplished more in world cups to date.

Tendulkar and Bevan were very far apart as players, far moreso than Smith and Kohli. At least you can make realistic comparisons between the latter two. Comparing an opener to a number 4/6 doesn't make a huge amount of sense.

A bit is a bit of an understatement.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Kohli is already test ATG as shown by DOG's rating. Only thing now matters is his longevity. He has proven himself in alien conditions more than Ponting, Richards , Sangakkara and Greg Chappell imo.

All DoG's rating shows is that he is on track to have an ATG career.

 

[honestbharani]

Man if Rahul can keep this up with the bat and gloves it's super handy. Means we don't have to play Pant anymore who's had quite a poor LO run anyways.

Wonder if it's worth picking some of the obviously super talented top order batsmen who can't get in the side to bat in the lower middle order. Gill, Shaw and Agarwal in particular. I'd back them to be far better than the randoms we keep trying to fit into the side like Shankar and Dube who's bowling can and will often lose games.

5 bowlers including Jadeja and 6 batsmen with Rahul keeping. When Pandya comes back then he can replace one of the bowlers. Wish we had one guy who could bowl a few part timers at least to help him out though.

TBH, both Dube and Shankar won games with their bowling and I don't really recall any games we lost because of their bowling.

 

[stephen]

A bit is a bit of an understatement.

Probably. Somewhere between a bit and somewhat but less than a lot or substantially.

As I said earlier, Smith has been averaging pretty much bang on 50 for the last 6 years or so. Kohli has been averaging 60 in the same time. Smith has had at least one great World Cup final performance which makes up some of the difference though. Even going by averages, that's 20% which is a bit. Quite a bit actually.

 

[stephen]

All DoG's rating shows is that he is on track to have an ATG career.

If he got a duck in every innings from now on, how long would it take for him to drop out of the top 35 batsmen? Long enough to not get dropped?

 

[srbhkshk]

Probably. Somewhere between a bit and somewhat but less than a lot or substantially.

As I said earlier, Smith has been averaging pretty much bang on 50 for the last 6 years or so. Kohli has been averaging 60 in the same time. Smith has had at least one great World Cup final performance which makes up some of the difference though. Even going by averages, that's 20% which is a bit. Quite a bit actually.

Kohli has averaged 70 for the last 6 years, not 60 - 60 is his overall average. And his SR is 10 higher too.

 

[srbhkshk]

Also if we are picking arbitrary slices, since 2016 - Kohli 80 @ 99 , Smith - 46 @ 87 - there's a whole chasm between them.

 

[sunilz]

All DoG's rating shows is that he is on track to have an ATG career.

Kohli is already no.7 on most number of matches spent above 900 ratings points in test matches. Only thing that stops him from remaining ATG is massive decline in form or suddenly a weakness develops in his technique ( so longevity)