The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[stephen]

In a tri series against:

Haynes (1990-92)
Warner (2014-16)
Sangakkara (2011-13)
Williamson (2017-20)
De Silva (1993-95)
Chanderpaul (2008-10)
Flower+ (1999-01)
Pollock (2005-07)
Hadlee (1987-89)
McGrath (2002-04)
Donald (1996-98)

 

[stephen]

Admittedly that last side is the least balanced without a spinner or a quality all rounder. But they do have possibly the greatest fast bowling attack and a very strong batting lineup.

 

[trundler]

It is kind of weird to have the best pacer of the last 33 years down in the third XI though.

 

[stephen]

I guess you could replace McGrath with Kumble in that third lineup if you really do need a spinner. Feels wrong not picking McGrath for any side though. I guess you could push Pollock out for Kumble and that might work better, albeit with a weaker tail.

 

[stephen]

It is kind of weird to have the best pacer of the last 33 years down in the third XI though.

Yeah. I do expect that the second XI would regularly beat the first XI. A middle order with Ponting, Lara, Smith and Waugh isn't losing many matches.

 

[stephen]

Nor is a side with a bowling attack of Warne, Marshall, Cummins and Walsh for that matter.

 

[bagapath]

To play against:

Sehwag (2005-07)
G Smith (2008-10)
Ponting (2002-04)
Lara (1996-98)
S Smith (2014-17)
S Waugh (1999-01)
Dhoni (2011-13)
Warne (1993-95)
Marshall (87-89)
Cummins (2017-20)
Walsh (1990-92)

Waqar in place of Walsh, may be?

 

[stephen]

Waqar in place of Walsh, may be?

Bit of a coin flip but Waqar was probably better over the period and possibly offers a bit more variety than Walsh. Still, hard to argue against Walsh. One does not simply take 500 wickets as a test match quick.

 

[honestbharani]

The second team contains more of my favorite players. But the first team has the variety with Wasim. Don't discount that in a game of what will be very small percentages.

 

[Logan]

Where does Gary Kirsten rank among openers in the last 30 years?

 

[h_hurricane]

Below these for sure. A pretty good player nevertheless.

Graeme Smith
Graham Gooch
Mathew Hayden
Virender Sehwag
Alastair Cook

 

[trundler]

Waqar during 90-92 was unparalleled, wasn't he?

 

[Logan]

Wisden once did an article about player’s peak in 33 Tests.

Name / Wickets / Average / 5-Fer

Imran : 175 / 16 / 12

Murali : 250 / 17 / 23

Briggs : 117 / 17 / 9

Marshall : 196 / 17 / 15

Laker : 146 / 17 / 7

Hadlee : 196 / 18 / 18

Ambrose : 164 / 18 / 10

Pollock : 153 / 19 / 9

Davidson : 171 / 19 / 14

Waqar : 191 / 19 / 19

 

[_00_deathscar]

What does 'Matches' refer to here?

 

[honestbharani]

Think it shud be wickets.

 

[Logan]

My bad. Wickets

 

[Coronis]

Only 8 5’fers in Hadlee’s 33 test peak? That doesn’t sound right..

 

[Slifer]

Only 8 5’fers in Hadlee’s 33 test peak? That doesn’t sound right..

And 15 5 fors Marshall considering his competition is absurd if that's correct

 

[stephen]

Below these for sure. A pretty good player nevertheless.

Graeme Smith
Graham Gooch
Mathew Hayden
Virender Sehwag
Alastair Cook

Is this a ranked list? I feel like Smith is overrated by some posters on this site (mostly Indian FTR).

 

[Logan]

Only 8 5’fers in Hadlee’s 33 test peak? That doesn’t sound right..

Corrected it. It is 18.